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Sign up with Google Sign up with FacebookQ: Any thoughts on how they are going to react to the news in Kunming?
Sorry I didn’t include a link, but I would have thought that the “what” was obvious. I was a bit amazed that there wasn’t a lot of chatter already on here about it.
Can you elaborate friend? At least a link?
Englteachted:
They didn't tell you your talking points about this yet?
You mean the news that 29 dead and 130 wounded after "terrorists" attack with knives ?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367
I hope we will not see more of this, but I sadly think this is just the slow escalation of earlier attacks.
Remember to enjoy life.
Scandinavian:
The full text of the BBC article
There'll be an investigation into this matter. That's the best way to answer your question..
I sure hope this does not escalate into vengeful racial war.
who are 'they' ? I cannot decide if you mean the PRC Government response or that of the common citizen.
Further crackdowns on native Xinjiang and Tibetan people which will lead to further attacks. This is the same cycle that Beijing has been following and they're either too stupid or too stubborn to treat the native people in those regions like people rather than inconveniences.
CCP: dispatch the paid commentators to talk about America and how great China is.
But I have a lot of questions about this. Where was the security? Why didn't anyone fight back?
"I can't find my husband, and his phone went unanswered," she said.
Social media users in China posted pictures of the attack on the internet, but correspondents say they are being taken down."
Mouthpieces want to tell me about censorship in USA? A few days later you'll hear about people getting arrested for "spreading rumors".
It had to happen sooner or later , just be glad they didn't have guns like in India or Kenya. and thank God they didn't have explosives . as for what should happen to them I will keep that to myself because it would start a flame war . latest toll is now 33 and a few more on the critical list .
Yesh,
I don't know about you guys, but China is sounding more and more dangerous.
I think the "terrorist" are attacking Han people as a form of retaliation. Perhaps are some point, they may realize a few things:
1) They might gain access to explosives, guns or chemicals.
2) They may start targeting foreigners or getting them mixed up somehow (hostage?) to get more global recognition and make China lose face.
3) Where was the security? A bunch of men wearing all black and brandishing large knives... they usually have metal detectors inside all train stations...
China is starting to crack, may be a good time to set sail.
DrMonkey:
About security checks in the train stations : in principle, yes, baggages are scanned. But in practice, you find some old uncle servicing the scanner, with a rather distracted eye on the screen. A bit of aluminum foil to wrap the knifes might be enough to go past the old uncle :p
Scandinavian:
@Monkey. I thought about sticking the dog in a normal suitcase because my observations about their alertness is similar to yours. Why the fork can I not bring my bomb sniffing dog on the train.
andyinshenyang:
If it's anything like the train stations here in Shenyang, you don't actually have to go through a metal detector until you enter the main waiting area of the station. From what I understand this appeared to happen in the ticket hall, which here in Shenyang has no security.
Robk:
@andy
Yeah, that's true. That may have been the case. Seems to be the same for all train stations around China.
If that is true... most ticket offices only have one entrance and exit and are separated from the main terminal areas in an enclosed area...
That means... they had no way out other than the way the crazies came in... which is probably why there were so many dead and injured... it is a sad thought.
Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide really.
This might sound like a very insensitive question, but does anyone know if only Han Chinese were harmed and if any non-Han happened to be present during the attack?
Errr, I feel terrible for the poor folks in Kunming, most of them are surely simple people with simple lives. I agree with the above comments, the cause of those attacks is not really addressed. You have those Uighur folks in Xinjiang with fairly poor lives, watching a recent (past 50 years) influx of people from the East Coast, heavily sponsored by the state. Culturally, those East Coast people are total foreigners, different languages, custom, habits, mindset, etc. Uighur have *one* officially approved conduct : be a happy countryside folk or work in our companies, shut-up, be happy, shut-up, work, shut-up, send kids to our schools, and that's it. It's painted on many walls in Xinjiang's countryside... Uighur seems to be less willing to quietly accept a rule without any say, compared to your average East Coast Chinese (I refuse to say Han).
So you have folks constrained to behave in one way by what they perceive as foreigners. I don't care if they are right or wrong on this : it's how deep inside Uighurs feel about East Coast people. They don't have space for negotiation or talks. Add a bit of poverty, a culture of not being shy to say "no", discrimination for employment, it's a breeding ground for extremism and terrorism. Beijing answer : we provide schools, hospitals, shut-up, we are China, you are Chinese. Disagreeing means being against us. And of course, more police & army there. You got a ugly self-reinforcing vicious circle going on.
I won't talk about the situation in Xinjiang as that has been aptly done so in this thread. My only thoughts after seeing the pictures on social media is for those poor victims. Whatever my views on Xinjiang, none of those people deserved to die in such a pointless, terrifying and painful way. My condolences to their families.
Robk:
I agree, this is horrible. To make it worse...
Most of these people were buying tickets for travel... can you imagine inviting your sister, wife or brother to come visit you. Going to the train station to pick them up and train never arrives or arrives without them. You find out on the news they were knifed down in a "terrorist" attack.
It's a desolate and disturbing thought. Waiting for the train that never arrives.
BrendanE:
As the victim of a senseless attack (for 30 bucks andmy Chinese grammar book no less) my first and only reaction is to think of the poor people hurt by this. I couldn't imagine waiting at a train station for a relative that would never come. It really sucks seeing this, I just really hope the families can find some consolation (no matter how small it is) in the support they will (and I should) receive, thanks for your comment. A bit hard on me because I have connections there.
Sigh. Kunming is such a nice place, too. I think everyone should work on getting out of China if they can. Sorry if this seems a bit extreme, but if it were me, I'd be out of there in a fucking heartbeat.
I really hate people who attack innocents. "The CCP is preventing us from claiming independence... better attack random Chinese who have no control over their government!" It's so stupid.
Robk:
I agree....
Why random innocent people? Perhaps, some of them lost family in Xinjiang to Han military and police enforcement. Why not go after officials?
I guess when you are at the point of that kind of rage... logic just escapes you and you are looking for a target that shares any sort of similarity with your target. I guess just looking Han was enough for them.
JoyAlmost:
Killing innocent random ppl... That's what terrorists do.
Scandinavian:
@Joy: I am not sure the Ethics section in the "Little Handbook For Terrorists" says strictly to avoid going after officials.