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Q: Are you following the HK bookstore owner story?

Yes I'm paranoid. This story scares me because after spending significant time in China, I will go home or another country. What if I publish something in a blog that the CCP doesn't like? Will they kidnap me? Will they trump up some charges and say I robbed 20 banks?

Are you going to be careful about what you do or say once you leave China, now knowing they can reach out and hurt you and possibly threaten your family? Or do you think this is reserved for ethnic Chinese?

This story seems to be ignored by US media outlets how is it covered in the UK? Is the UK government taking this seriously?

8 years 4 weeks ago in  Visa & Legalities - China

 
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Reporting about it is very slim.

Both booksellers are dual, Chinese and UK/Swedish citizens ..... and I suppose you aren't....That's a big difference between them and you.

 

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-crime/article/1898450/missing-hon...

 

READ MORE: ‘First and foremost a Chinese citizen’: China’s foreign minister on missing Hong Kong bookseller who also holds British passport

While holders of dual nationality definitely cannot seek diplomatic protection from their non-Chinese country of choice, Beijing does not bar the use of other passports for travel purposes. Indeed, Chinese nationals who hold a non-Chinese passport are entitled to seek consular protection from their second country of choice in nations which accept dual nationality.

http://qz.com/596565/chinese-citizens-are-questioning-hong-kong-booksell...

In China’s Quora-like Q&A site Zhihu, most bloggers cast their doubts on Gui’s aired confession under a question about the state media reports (link in Chinese).

“The first story is over,” one blogger wrote, referring to the five missing men linked to the Causeway Bay Bookstore. “There are four more coming.”

“He decided to return home to turn himself in but didn’t even tell his wife?” wrote a second. 

Another said “The plot sounds more and more like 1984.”

icnif77:

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-hk-booksellers-arrested-illegal-trading-china-093723297.html;_ylt=A0SO8xMjjtZWNL0AFWBXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

 

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Four of the five Hong Kong booksellers who went missing in October appeared on Chinese television confirming for the first time they'd been detained for "illegal book trading" in mainland China.

The five booksellers - including a British and Swedish national - had been linked to the same Hong Kong publisher and bookstore that specialised in scandalous books on the private lives and power struggles of China's Communist Party leaders.

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Ya this story is very interesting, and scary.

 

I think the lesson is, if you want to badmouth the CCP don't do it from Thailand, HK, probably any south asian country. They will disappear you.

 

Also something similar happened to that Swedish human rights activist. They got a guy who's entire occupation revolves around helping people to admit that he was doing it to disrupt social harmony and hurt China. As if The swedes have a big beef and suck that bad at espionage.

 

Really makes me wonder what they're holding over these people to get them to admit this shit on camera. Scary stuff.

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Nope - first I heard of it... and of course, what I have just read doesn't tell me much (before being locked out).

 

C&P would be nice!

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Apparently he wants to renounce his British citizenship, I'm sure the UK embassy in Beijing will be glad to welcome him in order to process the administrative formalities for his renouncement.

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So the bookstore owner is obviously guilty of hurting China's feelings. No doubt about that.

 

BUT. since you are paranoid. Did you know that when there are events, in your home country, where Chinese people participate to discuss China, the embassy in your home country will attempt to participate, which is often welcomed but organizers, however, any Chinese citizens who speak at such events are encouraged by the nice embassy people to stay in line and only say things that will delight China's feelings. Go Xi Jinping, you rock with your enormous manhood. . 

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And why the Confucius Institute, which is about promoting Mandarin and other nice Chinese opinions, often genders annoyance with their obviously pro-CCP party-towing kowtowing -"You hurt China feelings" political stances.

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Party leaders are very sensitive about their public image. When NYT exposed Wen Jiabao's corruption, every hackers in China was trying to attack their website.

Criticise the CCP as a single entity, but don't name any names; that strikes too close to home. CCP is a ponzi scheme, so they figure the brand will be hated eventually. But don't you DARE name the owners by name. They will respect no laws and spare no expense to punish you.

Luckily, western politicians are less petty.

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I disagree, as usual coin. Or do I?

 

Filial piety is the problem here. 

 

Officials go through the system, 10 or 15 years on their knees, then when they stretch their legs and start to stand, they look down and feel they deserve their elevated status. Because they served their time on their knees.

 

Its a perpetual cycle. Corrupt people can never trust non corrupt people. 

 

If if a body guard offers a bribe to a dishwasher to not poison the food, and the dishwasher refuses... The dishwasher is by default not to be trusted.

 

If you can't buy him, you can't trust him.

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If you try to bribe me, that's when I may become untrustworthy. Different values I guess. As for your perspective of how they deserve their mean-time, it's about not receiving enough emotional fulfillment. Eventually they want narcissistic supply: possessions, power, acknowledgement and retribution. It's all gratification. Leaders in China will not endure un-fun face-loss even if they deserved it.

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