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Q: Environmentalism costs and has no use?

6 years 7 weeks ago in  Transport & Travel - China

 
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Wow, you really found that nitpicky talking point that elevates the fossil fuel industry to the same level as the interests of humanity. Isn't it all just a "liberal" scam, if you don't look too closely at the absence of logic? "Yes, it must be. My masters are hinting that that's what I should believe!"

You've made it clear you are consciously ignoring the pollution and global warming. Since your handlers, the conservative establishment whose dismantling of the carbon credit system and environmental destruction you choose to ignore, have made it clear you should bark in this direction, you are eager to please!

Such an admirably domesticated, dependable, subservient human. I'm sure your handlers will throw you a bone while they bring home the bacon for themselves. You're so obedient, you deserve a doggie cookie! Who's a good boy? You are! Yes, you are. U-S-A! Woof woof woof!

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This one is Jay Leno's task ... They've got copper using electrical car to get her nails done ... 

Why cops do that ...?  

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Bureaucrats wasting tax funds.  Oh well,,, be a cold day in Hades when that changes....

 

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Wow, you really found that nitpicky talking point that elevates the fossil fuel industry to the same level as the interests of humanity. Isn't it all just a "liberal" scam, if you don't look too closely at the absence of logic? "Yes, it must be. My masters are hinting that that's what I should believe!"

You've made it clear you are consciously ignoring the pollution and global warming. Since your handlers, the conservative establishment whose dismantling of the carbon credit system and environmental destruction you choose to ignore, have made it clear you should bark in this direction, you are eager to please!

Such an admirably domesticated, dependable, subservient human. I'm sure your handlers will throw you a bone while they bring home the bacon for themselves. You're so obedient, you deserve a doggie cookie! Who's a good boy? You are! Yes, you are. U-S-A! Woof woof woof!

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The ozone hole is fixing itself

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If you believe in global warming and the numbers are as bad as a quote "consensus" says, then it's already too late.

 

We move factories to the other side of the globe so Los Angeles has clean air and we promote batteries and electric cars (ignoring the pollution to create the batteries is worse than driving a fossil fuel car for a 140,000 mile). So China will follow our example and move the factories and dirty businesses to Africa.

 

If your a globalist and you keep moving the pollution to other areas and to score points on environmentalism, you are basically a hypocrite because the pollution is still around the earth just not "in your backyard".

 

The idea that a developed country should give it's money away to keep another poorer country from polluting the earth just simply want work as an argument with the average worker in any country. The attempt to scare, shakedown, and blackmail people into believing they need to help the poor countries stop pollution is the elites way of saying it's for your own good, but nobody is listening.

 

 

coineineagh:

That's a defeated perspective. A crutch to rationalise why you shouldn't care or try anything. It dismisses the fact that progress is being made, even if it's too late to completely prevent climate change, and that stronger cooperation and regulation can tackle what you label hypocrisy. Intent matters, and you are arguing against progress, because it absolves your political views. Your ego is defending itself, trying to rationalise why society is to blame and not your attitude. Conservatives always want to privatize the gains for themselves, and socialise the costs. It is no surprise that you continue the pattern of spreading blame and accepting none.

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I haven't own or driven a car for 15 years, no guilt on my part, what about the 1200 private planes at the Davos conference in Switzerland right now. Do they deserve any blame? I actually hope global warming is true, especially for America, the coast is full of rich progressive liberal snobs that always look down on the rest of America. If they suffer or hopefully die, this would actually be a blessing if you are a die hard conservative. So we lose New York City, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco, the country would actually be better off anyway.

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Yeah, uh.. I hate to break it to ya, but sea-level rise is just one of many aspects of global warming. And it's a lot slower than the city-swallowing mega-tsunami you envision. I may be wrong, but the hipsters will probably be able to outrun the encroaching waters, no matter how tight their pants are. You should be more concerned about the fragile croplands, and how shifting weather patterns will affect them. But I get what you're up to, rationalising how climate change is a far-from-my-bed-tale you needn't worry about. Keep rooting for that fast-moving ocean to swallow everyone you dislike, why don't ya.

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Not owning a car or a private plane is admirable and to your credit. But mother nature votes Conservative, sadly. She lets us privatize the gains, and socialise the costs. Thinking you are not to blame doesn't change anything. Feeling that others will be hurt and you'll get by relatively unaffected matters not. The costs are for you all the same. A textbook tragedy of the commons if we don't get our act together soon. I hope you can come to terms with reality, and join the rest of us in damage control mode ASAP.

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Since this is still answer of the day....

 

How TF does mismanagement of funds have anything to actually do with the environmental debate? Strawman at its best... (well, actually, probably a Red Herring.... how closely does it really relate?)

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Opponents of environmental action are trying to paint every penny spent or taxed for the sake of the environment, as mismanagement of funds. Sadly it works, because of social dynamics. If any authority says anything, especially when it's presented as a voice for a certain political identity, then people will fill the void that is their lack of knowledge, with a fervent belief in the story.

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Trump says it goes up and down. Who knows? Who can be sure? I paraphrase.

It should be simple.

Even if it is a Chinese/ liberal hoax. The biggest conspiricy of all time after the moon landing..

Does it not make sense to be a bit cleaner in general rather than make excuses to burn fossil fuel?

Marco Rubio was astounding. His reply.. we might need to build sea walls in Florida.

No mention of pacific islands, Bangladesh etc.

My thought is this. If we brought Trump and Rubio to the real China, I bet they would be amazed at how ppl litter the street. They would be disgusted at householders sweeping rubbish onto the sidewalk. They would wonder why a culture could live with no apparent regard to taking personal responsibilty to clean up their own mess.

That would be my starting point.

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People like Trump, who says they "don't believe" in Global Warming, or global climate change as is the proper term, are in fact saying "I don't understand global climate change"

 

it is a fact wether people believe or not

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Trump never said he doesn't believe in climate change, just he doubts how much is contributed by people. 

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I reckon they all believe in it. Even Trump. The denial is on the GOP manifesto. All must adhere the party line. (do they have manifestos in the US?). They have to obey the Kochs. An interesting story this week. The energy guy (Zinke?), put forward a plan to use military land and bases on the democratic west coast to export coal. California etc seem to have coal export bans, or they make it difficult. Reports say that the whitehouse knocked it back. It could be presumed it was because of the GOP belief in states rights. But I suspect someone in the executive was smart enough to realise such an act would be a government subsidy. Or maybe there is a secret believer in the bastion of democracy.

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I will say it the climate has been changing for millions of years just 50000 years ago the average temps were minus 72 c and the earth has had climate change since 30 years ago the climate nut cases said you all know al gore that the polar bear will disappear the coast lines will rise actually 30 years later the polar bear is thrives I can’t be the natural process of the universe has to be man if u listen to the nut cases 45 years ago the scientists were saying were headed for the next ice age than ten years later global warming it’s all bullchit they can’t even predict a 7 day forecast correctly but al gore ripped the people off for billions as he flies in his private jets good luck all

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxGBoTLzrOk

 

If this is true, we have been wasting our time with a distraction.

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ambivalentmace:

Snow in Saudi Arabia, Hawaii, and Los Angeles, think I may bet on the "grand solar minimum", now we got to figure out which cycle this coming low sunspot activity is going to be, the "dalton minimum" from 1790 to 1820 caused earthquakes in Missouri and Tennessee and massive crop failures all over the earth. The worse scenario is one of those long Ice ages of 70 or 120 years where the snow does not melt in the summer and Canada becomes a glacier icebox and I have to move to Ecuador near the Equator to die with a full stomach.

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well, at least LA has some elevation spots for snow,,,  I've seen it snow at sea level on the Gulf of Mexico down by Mexico.  That was pretty,,,,,,,,..wait for itttttt,,,,,,,,,,,,, cool.

 

Personally what I think is going to happen though is somehow Earth goes into a rapidly diminishing orbit,,, NASA knows,,,, but decides just to shut-up about it.  And well,,, that's it for Planet Earth and all our sweet little human concerns...

 

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ambivalentmace:

who did this song

 

"its the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine".

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diverdude1:

wow,, I can hear it in my head,,,,  such a cool rythm,,,  but no idea,,,  80's band? one hit wonders?

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Stiggs:

It was REM who did that song, and it does seem apt.

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ah,, I always did like REM a lot,,,  guess I know who I'll be listening to on soku tonite....

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Global warming is simply an excuse for the governmment to come in and steal money from hardworking people. Only sheep with an IQ of 2 honestly believe humans cause global warming. If you want to stop  pollution then develop more efficient means of production then everyone will voluntarily use that production method.  Climate is like the economy and has cycles we go through a period of cold and then a period of hot. There is nothing the governent can do to make it better. all the government can do is make things worse. I am opposed to anytype of environmental regulations as they simply raise the costs on things I normally buy.I use plastic bags rather than paper as they last longer and are easily recycled

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