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Q: Is everyone aware that China was a member of the Iran nuclear deal team ?

Something for China to be proud of I think.

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the iranians get a nuclear weapon before the people get a refinery for their own gasoline for cars and import the fuel from other countries, this is suspicious and israel will take out the threat as soon as the current public housing squatter leaves the white house,

i am not amazed by the young generation thinking this is great, im disappointed at america for not enforcing international law when the hostages were taken in 1979.

jimmy carter did the deal for clinton to keep weapons away from north korea, now they have about 20 in the inventory. iran will have the same outcome, about 20 by a decade and then america will have to sell nuclear missiles to saudi or they will buy them from pakistan.

 

history will show it was a very bad deal. 

there is no trust but verify, the iranian swimmer at the beijing olympics refused to compete because a dirty jew from israel would be in the pool with him. sadly this is not over, its just beginning.

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depends what their stance is

ScotsAlan:

Ha ha. Indeed.

 

But overall, I think it is a good example of nations working together to achieve a good diplomatic solution to what could have been a painful problem.

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It is in the interest of all current nuclear powers to keep the group as small as possible. Nuclear weapons are an unprecedented chapter of history in the way they affect power relations between states...  And their use can be utterly destructive to humanity as we know it.  We cannot assume that every leader is rational and fearful of the prospect of retaliation, history has proven there will always be leaders of certain states that seek to push the limits of what they can coerce from the rest of the world.  Nuclear weapons being added into their arsenal would embolden them to even more dangerous heights that no established nation would want to face, be it the us, Russia, china, or anybody else. Having a nuclear Iran is not necessary to any of the other nuclear powers' foreign policies.

Eorthisio:

All I can see is that so far only the US were irrational enough to nuke another country, not once, but twice. Nowadays there is still an abnormally high percentage of people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffering from various genetic mutations and malformations, not only old but also young people.

 

In some cases these are positive mutations like that Japanese pornstar with gigantic teddies who is from Nagasaki and makes a fortune using her two hangers. Hum... anyway, in most cases people are not born with cool mutations.

 

Thus the US are certainly not in a moral position to decides whether or not another country is rational enough to possess the nuclear weapon.

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A moral argument is not needed for non proliferation.  Preventing spread of nuclear weapons is not a moral issue, it's a strategic issue. Morality hardly ever has much of anything to do with international politics, what you perceive as morality is more often than not an ideology of morality masking hidden objectives. In some rare cases, it exists, but when it does, it makes a big mess of things.  In your case, it would be immoral for the U.S. to take the lead in restricting nuclear weapons spread to other countries, yet the security implications for the world would be catastrophic. That is why there is such a significantly widespread cooperation on the issue. One can only imagine what the world would be like otherwise. Often it is only wannabe nuclear states that argue a morality issue - that the current 5 powers were allowed to get weapons, therefore they should be allowed to.  That's the only card they can play for their own effort. But the nuclear club will always resist, simply because this is not a case of "the more, the merrier."

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@Eorthisio -

 

irrational?  elaborate please.   I believe it was actually rationality that drove the decision. didn't they argue that it would hasten Japan's surrender and ultimately result in a lower death toll than a manned invasion of the home-islands?

Wasn't it also a rational decision to show the Soviet Union that we had the tech and it worked?  Which was amply proven by the second bomb not to be a fluke....

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maybe good news or WWIII news, too early to tell, my grand kids will have to handle it..

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Good on China & the other members of the negotiation team. I thought it was a good outcome. The only sore point for me was the bitter & belligerent response from the Israeli government. Disgraceful in my view. 

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the iranians get a nuclear weapon before the people get a refinery for their own gasoline for cars and import the fuel from other countries, this is suspicious and israel will take out the threat as soon as the current public housing squatter leaves the white house,

i am not amazed by the young generation thinking this is great, im disappointed at america for not enforcing international law when the hostages were taken in 1979.

jimmy carter did the deal for clinton to keep weapons away from north korea, now they have about 20 in the inventory. iran will have the same outcome, about 20 by a decade and then america will have to sell nuclear missiles to saudi or they will buy them from pakistan.

 

history will show it was a very bad deal. 

there is no trust but verify, the iranian swimmer at the beijing olympics refused to compete because a dirty jew from israel would be in the pool with him. sadly this is not over, its just beginning.

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Why can't Iran have nuclear weapons? Israel has them. It seems only fair that Iran should have them too. Iran has never started a war or invaded another country. Israel invades and occupies its neighbours and kills thousands of non-combatants and to most people that's just fine. Reagan and the CIA helped Iraq deploy chemical weapons against Iran in the 1980's which killed 20,000 Iranian troops and injured over 100,000.

I'm happy with the deal. As long as it isn't scuttled before it is realised - something Israel would love.

Robk:

It's pretty simple. The Iranian leaders won't bend to the will of those who seek more power. So, they are a huge target.

 

I think it also has to do with an Islamic country with tons of oil and possibly other resources. 

 

I think currently, Iran and Russia have the largest deposits of oil and and obviously abusing the hell out of it. So Iran is an easier target? I am not 100% sure but sure seems like it.

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Its not because its an Islamic state, its because they wont acknowledge the right of Isreal to exist. That and the oil of course.

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I think it is a wonderful thing ...  not privvy to the deal itself, but to have China, Russia and the USA and the others, sort of AGREE on something is pretty special. I think

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/iranian-state-tv-gunmen-attack-parade-several-casualties-061405630.html

 

What is the ultimate embarrassment? To have a military parade attacked because your military did not provide enough security for a parade.

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