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Q: How do you think of EMBA?

An education organization called me to apply EMBA studying in Shanghai Fudan university.

 

She saies the EMBA progamme is set by France INSEEC  and 70% teachers who give the lesson are from Chinese top university and 30% are from France.

 

The study takes two years and cost 156000rmb(24762USD)

I'll get INSEEC MBA degree.

 

I wonder if it is worth giving a try or just drop it.

 

I do feel interested in applying MBA or EMBA studying.

 

Which do you think is better? EMBA or MBA?

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I've never heard of EMBA and don't know how useful it would be in china so can't comment on that, but haven't you been saying you don't want to work for idiots anymore and your dream is to have your own business?

 

So wouldn't putting the 156000 RMB into starting your own business be a better way to spend the money?

Stiggs:

Oh, and I just saw in your post about how they called you asking you to apply (and presumably pay). Cos all good schools call random people asking them to go study there...

 

Sounds like another Chinese scam aimed at the gullible to me.

 

 

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That is my concern, if they are truly good, why do they have to keep calling me up? I remember I used to inquiry the MBA progamme online years ago then they kept calling  me up and introduced herself to be teacher. Give me a break, do not introduce yourself to be teacher, just saying yiu are a sales man, calling yourself a teacher is  insulting the teacher job. Teachers do not call people for promotion.

 

How about studing EMBA or MBA might help me run a better business in a long term?

 

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Well no education is wasted, but do you really need an MBA to do what you're already doing now and say you do well?

 

If you did decide to further your study, don't do it with those clowns.

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Why not learn some good corporation management knowledge? It will help when I run a company of my own right? I do not want to be one of those unqualified general managers I have met. "If you did decide to further your study, don't do it with those clowns." Where I should invest on further study?

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I do not think it's fake. 

 

One of my friends, who runs own business has also received the same call from the same school like a year ago. It seems pretty serious.

 

My idea on MBA and EMBA: They are definitely not the same program. MBA is for the managers to advance their managerial, team building and team work skills. Most of managers are known being introverts with relatively low EQ. That's what the MBA programs aim to work on - to advance EQ of the students.

 

EMBA is more about networking that target hight-rank corporate executives, like CEO, GM, Presidents, VP... Executives do not really need to learn again how to be teamplayers. They are sort-of solo decision makers and their team needs to listen to the decisions of the executives and direct them to the right decision making. What really matters for the EMBA students - to find potential business partners, exchange experience, and, of course, little bit of EQ trainings as well.

 

What I would suggest for you, Vicki: if you would like to study management science, go for MBA, not EMBA. Because you are a manager yet, not an executive Choose a good university (preferably not from China) and be ready to pay decent amount of cash for that. 

 

Viki87:

Thanks for the good information. Even though that I am working as a manager, but I am sort of working on developing my own business at the same time too. After a year, I plan on being able to make enough money to support myself to run my own business without needing a job to supoort, maybe after 2-3 years, I plan on running my company and hire employees to work for me and then I can try to improve my corporate management skills. I won't be a sales manager after that.

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How do you think those universities offer scholarship on doing MBA in countries like USA? I heard some schools offer scholarship aren't good university there. I do not have much money to do an MBA studying out of China, but I do really hope that I could get a chance to study in countries like USA for MBA pr EMBA progamme. Any idea of how much would cost me to do? If I could manage the cost, I can do the studying while running my own firm.

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From what I have seen you are probably looking in the area of $80,000 for tuition fees, the American University online MBA quotes $78,000 for tuition fees. Although it is online there is probably a requirement for spending some time on campus. On top of tuition you have to factor in the cost of books, travel, accommodation etc. I would have thought somewhat expensive for you, unless some one in the family can let you have half a million rmb.

Viki87:

I wonder if the degree got by doing online course is the same from the degree got from attending the course on campus.

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Sure, it may be a legit qualification, but the big red flag is the sales/marketing calls. Smells like the mba version of an English mill. Does Tsing Hua University call people begging them to throw 150 Gs at them?

I'm guessing that you probably don't have 150k to throw around for something that probably won't help you earn more money. Do you think that 150k might be better spent on getting your own business running.

Viki87:

You are probally right, the sales/marketing call does sound like a red flag.

 

I am more interested in having the chance to learn western management and trying to have a more international vision on business. If I do my MBA/EMBAat Chinese university, I wonder if the education would really help with that as most professsors will be Chinese, I guess they will teach you a more Chinese vision on business management. 

I do not just looking for a better degree, I want to be able to learn something really valuable.

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In china, most of the EMBA is for the rich business man who want to recognize more peoples during study.  do not expect the teaching quality 

Viki87:

Then it is those rich people's problem, not the professor's problem, unless the university gives less quality on MBA progamme teaching 

 

One of my ex did his MBA in America, he told the American university let the Chinese students pass the test while the professors didn't want them pass. lol The university wants to make the money. If I am the employer, I'll check the applicants who have the MBA degree very carefully.

 

If I get the chance to go to a good university for doing my MBA, I'll take this chance and gain as much as I can from the MBA studing..

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acutally, no matter how teachers themselves are quality, it has nothing to do with you individual. even if Nobel Prize winner teaches you, it wont help you out that much. how useful EMBA, it depends on how is your living and working envirenment.  Dont  hold that much hope that degree put you on a pedestal.

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Didn't say the degree would help solve all the problem I come crosss at my work. But I believe it does help sometimes. You need to study for an degree, there are good knowledge on it. Well, sometimes an MBA background is hard to help if you are working for a stubborn fool. For instance, I tried to persuade the boss to fix the network of the company so I can link all computers together to create a shared customer base for team management in an efficient way. The team can register every PI order in a shared management base by themseves, they won't need to come to me for getting an PI number. The team leader and the boss can have a quick access to the sales peformance by checking out the registered PI book in the shared management base. The team leader can upload all the product pictures in the shared management picture base without having to send the pictures to each sales person again and again, send pictures to each sales is easy to forget sending some pictures too. But the boss stubbornly believe that is not useful because he certainly has no knowledge or experience of that. I also wanted to create every customer folder and save every order's document to the shared folder, so the team leader and the business owner can have a quick access to each customer's document. For example: Customer name(Fold name)-order number(subfile)-all files of this order(sunfile) It is so logical to understand how useful a shared business management base is but he just can't even understand it after I tried to persuade him for many many times. A business owner lacks of sufficient knowedge is very horrible. I already stop persuding him to fix the internet here. Everytime while I was trying to give a call to the customer, he would be talking loud in our office. I told him to not come to out office to chat as he is the business leader, he still comes to chat in our office and lay his whole body on the sofa of our office. Once he took us to lunch, he spit right on the resturant ground, and another time he spit right in the trash can besides my desk. I pretent that I forgot to take my trash after I got off work on Friday and instead the Ayi(boss’s relative) took it. Because it made me vomit thinking of touching the trash bag even. It is so logical to know that he should not spit in front of the employees, I'd say the business owner is a fool. Sometimes I am thinking of keep trying to change him by taking more time but it is going so hard. In this circumstance, it will be even hard for an MBA degree holder to conduct the management very well. The business owner plays an important role. Now what I faced is try to manage my boss better and improve this company as much as I can or just forget about the team management here and just focus on making money.

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A Chinese vice general manager used to suggest me to take changing a bit more slowly while facing difficulties after got hired as a manager in a new company.

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