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Q: Kung Flu. Great.

Kung flu is the newest catch phrase from Trump The Great. I just can't be bothered anymore as I realize that, as confrontational with China as he sounds, he's *secretly* learning from Mauo.

 

Examples,

 

1. Mockery

M: America the paper tiger.

T: China Virus, kung flu.

 

2. Expel

M: Foreign envoys

T: Chinese research fellows. Mexican immigrants

 

3. Disregard to lives

M: Ok to sacrifice 100 or 200 thousand lives to fight a war

T: Huge victory if Covid-19 death is under 100 thousand

 

4. Cause social divide

M: The cul-tura-l revolution. Tear down temples and monuments

T: Ok, this one maybe was only indirectly caused by T. But hey, where is the leadership to resolve them?

 

So, actually Trump is a friend, a student and an ally. Just kidding!

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Trump bitched and complained about China with Leslie Stahl on 60 minutes in 1996, he has always had a problem with China and when he gets reelected it's going to get much worse. The good news is the urban areas will become Detroit and Chicago on steroids, the suburbs will be armed like a fortress and I will be locked, loaded, and ready, better than hunting deer.

ambivalentmace:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-scientists-discover-swine-flu-230741167.html

 

PANDEMIC 2.0

Who says Chinese are bad at innovation? Congratulations on your outstanding research, a nobel prize should be coming soon, or just make a fake one.

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I won't try to defend much of what Trump says, but some criticisms of him are unsupported.

 

Much of the anti-China rhetoric began with a mistaken assumption that a "trade imbalance" hutts the US, and that sanctions against China would spark an increace in domestic manufacturing. It morphed into something worse when the West's respose to CV-19 was to ignore it until it was epidemic -- to divert attention from American incompetence, China became a  convenient scapegoat.

 

Much of Trumps immigration police can be summed up as "follow the law as it is written" (especially vis-a-vis illegal immigrants). That's his job. Only Congress can rewrite the laws. (Well, Congress and Obama, but that's a different issue)

 

Trump has doen more to end military American involvement in active wars then Obama. I'll grant that he hasn't doen enough, and he has been way to bellocose about American military might. But, he has not started any wars. Also the US CV-19 death toll has already passed 100,000, and (so the Trump administration seems to believe) additional restriction won't stop the virus but will do irreparable harm to the enconmy. He may be right about that.

 

Trump did not create America's social divide. His election was a result of it. A "progressive" (largely socialist, and often Anti-American) ethos dominates politics in most large cities, most public schools, and many universities. Many Americans (about half) reject that world-view. Hence a social divide. That the main-stream media unabashedly support the "progressive" movement lead to unending criticism of everything Trump says or does even when he is right. The "progressives," not Trump, are mirroring the Cultural Revolution.

 

Trump is almost certain to lose the coming election. Alas, his opponent is now competeing with him over who can take a harder line against China. It's frightening.

 

I suspect the whole world will suffer from the exacerbation of America's social divide following the next election -- regardless of who wins.

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what is your question?

WangNan2020:

My question was what do you think.

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sorrel:

what do we think of what?

 

you could also include what you think, and engage in conversation and not look as if you are just fishing.

I have found that not giving an opinion is VERY common in China and feels dishonest.

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@ WangNan.

I'll help you out if you have a problem understanding what foreigners expect from a conversation (even an online conversation like this) It means that you have to share/say what you think while asking people what they think (give and take) - not only you asking questions and not giving your thoughts in return:

 

https://answers.echinacities.com/question/why-do-chinese-people-not-answer-questions

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This sort of "question" is always some flaccid attempt at a 'drop the mic' statement purely for the purpose of triggering a response that plays directly into an existing confirmation bias. The shallow thinkers who attended a university that educated them to ignorance usually don't think of these ideas themselves. Their small manhood was triggered by something they could copy and paste angrily. Once posted, the metaphorical mic is dropped and they have nothing else to contribute because they lack the ability to parse the concepts themselves.

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WangNan2020:

Nah, let's talk weather. @sorrel @sandnose

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Sandnose:

And there we have it exactly as predicted.

But I think we can call it a win in this case.

It's the first time in your life you failed to disappoint.

Congratulations!

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I don't get your point. It's pretty much undisputed that the orange man is uncouth.

Is this a somewhat incoherent fledgling attempt at virtue signalling? Keep at it, you'll get there.

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Trump bitched and complained about China with Leslie Stahl on 60 minutes in 1996, he has always had a problem with China and when he gets reelected it's going to get much worse. The good news is the urban areas will become Detroit and Chicago on steroids, the suburbs will be armed like a fortress and I will be locked, loaded, and ready, better than hunting deer.

ambivalentmace:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-scientists-discover-swine-flu-230741167.html

 

PANDEMIC 2.0

Who says Chinese are bad at innovation? Congratulations on your outstanding research, a nobel prize should be coming soon, or just make a fake one.

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China's official TV & newspaper are now calling the new epidemic in Kazakhstan the "Kazakhstan Pneumonia". Not a trace of irony either.

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I would seriously like to understand why Chinese people don't/can't answer direct questions - often the very same questions they as foreigners and ask over and over until they get an answer..

@ WangNan
how can you not understand and answer a direct question without resoritng to deflecttion or completely ignoring it?
You have claimed previously that you have a German friend, so how did you deal with his/her questions about China?
 

so often Chinese people say 'you don't understand Chinese culture'
you, WangNan, are in the unique position in that people on this forum want to understand more about China, yet you fail

You do realise that you make yourself look ridiculous (lose face) more and more by failing to exhibit normal human interaction. Every defelction or time you ignore reasonable questions, the more you lose face in foreigners eyes, and you lower the opinion people have about Chinese people.
on any forum, users are evaluated by the level and quality of their engagement.
how do you think you come across?

(ok i admit probably very well by Chinese standards, but then the bar is very low)

icnif77:

I can't tolerate this 'losing face' any longer ... 

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Off your face is something that never gets old.

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WangNan2020:

Sorrel, in our previous email exchange disputing over a matter, you would write a hundred liner in reply to my short email, not just once but several emails. I then realized you harbor so much resentment. You also warned in your email that if I contact you again you would report to administrator. From that point I avoided interacting with you. So, if you wish to amplify the whole thing to a country level feel free to do it, but the true reason is as what I stated here.

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@ WangNan

me harbouring resentment for wanting to engage in a dialogue on an open forum?

 

I would not call what we engaged in on this forum as our 'previous email exchange' as you ignored 99% of what i asked, when looking for clarification' or replied with some random 'whataboutisms'

and are you referring to a PM you sent me by any chance, when i asked you to stop contacting me by PM, not an open conversation in this forum?


I am all for open forum conversations, not name calling in 'private' (which i have not engaged in)


I have invited you to engage in a civil and rational conversation, helping non-Chinese people understand the thinking and rational behind Chinese behaviour.


my 'hundred-liners' are how people engage in conversation.
Were they too long for you?
Should i stick to one-line sentences/replies?
are you trying to bully me. becasue i know that other posters have been less polite than i have been?


Seriously, i am just trying to understand your logic or thought process. crying
 

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