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For once, a topic about something the Chinese people are doing right. Patience with kids.
I have 2 young boys, naturally they're boisterous and curious. They can be hard to control at times, and at other times, they are passive and ready for bed. If they behave badly in public, I'm fully prepared to apologize, clean up and either control my kids, or leave.
I lose patience and get angry at them from time to time. As a parent, I understand that other people can't be expected to have the same amount of patience as me, because they are my kids after all, not theirs. In China, the patience people had for kids may perhaps have been higher than I could expect back home, which set me up for a reverse culture shock.
I'm frankly amazed by how quickly people lose patience and start tapping on my shoulder with parenting judgements. Some people have completely unbalanced responses. In some places, my kids are out of control, rolling over the floor screaming and climbing everywhere, and nobody will say a thing. I discipline them, of course.
Then in another place, the kids are just walking, curious, gently touching non-breakable items, and some angry store worker shouts at me that it isn't a playground and they can't just do what they want.
We had that a few times in supermarkets, pharmacies and restaurants. The reaction is completely out of proportion. One supermarket worker practically chased us out the store with chastisements.
In a pizzeria, a waiter gave angry comments about my 1-year-old spilling spaghetti bolognese on their clean table napkin: "dry cleaning costs money!", then he angrily takes away all the napkins, and puts my wife's spaghetti onto a different type of plate.
Is it because i live in a quiet North-German village with lazy wage workers? Northerners are famous for being cold and impatient. And wage workers have no vested interest in satisfied patronage because they get their salary regardless, so perhaps they forgo customer service to chase out children because they can't be arsed to do any contractually obligated cleaning duties?
In China, most restaurants are family owned, so they all want to keep people happy. But even employees in department stores don't shout at us if the kids touch valuable or breakable things.
This is probably reverse culture shock, that I'm so surprised that people complain about children too readily. China gave me unrealistic expectations. However, tolerance for kids being kids is generally a positive thing, that I see too little of back home.
Some of you expats regularly comment about how reckless kids tear the place up in China, so I expect some of you have a different opinion about things. I'd be interested to hear what you think of this.
Having children in Europe is already an unrewarding practice. We have actual pension plans, and society is too individualistic to be able to reliably count on your kids helping you when you get old. Local people generally consider people with children to be selfish in some form, and all the collateral consequences for others are a direct result of their selfishness.
Europe's population is dwindling, and a lot of people are concerned how immigrants are replacing the local population. Perhaps we need to have a good look at western culture, and ask ourselves, civilized or not, does it work? We seem to have forgotten something important along the way. Perhaps sacrificing some time, effort, table napkins and clean supermarket aisles will be worth the result.
8 years 13 weeks ago in Family & Kids - China
My kids have never been to England so I can't compare how they'd be treated there to how they're treated here. Here they're spoilt for attention by the locals and I'm such a moody looking sod I don't think anyone would chastise them if they wanted to. I do get fed up with a bunch of things though; hearing them called little foreigners for a start. They've both got British passports but they've never been out the country. Hearing people ask them if they can speak Chinese gets old after a while, as does people trying to take their picture. The only thing that really causes me to get angry is when people try to feed them though. I know it's meant well but it's caused me to snap at people a few times.
coineineagh:
The touching is the worst. All kinds of unwashed hands reach for the baby's hands, which is rubbed into the eyes. Friendliness is nice, but not when there's no regard for hygiene. Anyway, attention is somewhat of a different topic. I'm hoping to discuss patience with kids, east vs west.
mArtiAn:
I find it hard to comment, I'm not aware of any particular difference in behavior towards kids regarding patience, some are some aren't, both here and back home. I really don't see any difference.
My kids have never been to England so I can't compare how they'd be treated there to how they're treated here. Here they're spoilt for attention by the locals and I'm such a moody looking sod I don't think anyone would chastise them if they wanted to. I do get fed up with a bunch of things though; hearing them called little foreigners for a start. They've both got British passports but they've never been out the country. Hearing people ask them if they can speak Chinese gets old after a while, as does people trying to take their picture. The only thing that really causes me to get angry is when people try to feed them though. I know it's meant well but it's caused me to snap at people a few times.
coineineagh:
The touching is the worst. All kinds of unwashed hands reach for the baby's hands, which is rubbed into the eyes. Friendliness is nice, but not when there's no regard for hygiene. Anyway, attention is somewhat of a different topic. I'm hoping to discuss patience with kids, east vs west.
mArtiAn:
I find it hard to comment, I'm not aware of any particular difference in behavior towards kids regarding patience, some are some aren't, both here and back home. I really don't see any difference.
I think you're on to something that in the west we really see children as liabilities/nuisances.
Like we're so up our asses in the west about perfect education and parenting that a child is seen as such a horrible burden that we resent the shit out of them. Like our taxes would be lower if only we didn't have to educated all these little pieces of sh*t...and how many kids out there have jobs? Bunch of freeloaders if you ask me, leaching off society.
I dunno, theres no easy answer.
coineineagh:
Yes. The list of demands for being a satisfactory (i.e. just average, not great) parent can be very high. Add to that I have a weak lower back, so I'm not going to bend over chasing my kids constantly, just because some employee somewhere thinks I should. Not everyone will be a parent, and the experience will be very different if you have a quiet baby girl and relatives who visit frequently. We don't, so we have concluded that one bath and one house clean-up per day really is enough. And if we're too tired, the floor can wait.