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Q: Why do educated Chinese people still believe Taiwan is part of People's Republic of China
Why do educated Chinese people still believe Taiwan is part of People's Republic of China, if the People's Republic of China has never actually controlled Taiwan?
They think what they are told to think. That's the way it works here. Even the vast majority of 'educated' folk here have very little ability to question what they are taught.
ironman510:
All too true, it goes the same when it comes to questioning "warm water": So drinking warm water cures broken bone, the cold, vaccines problems and Taiwans history too. ( God I love drinking warm water now, lol sorry I had to get some sarcasm in while watching the Facebook stock, lets buy~later)
mike168229:
Ironman, can you believe that my wife has a cracked tooth and the fucking dentist told her to drink more hot water and it would be fine!
edgy:
most people believe what they are told. look at the europeans. theyre taught to hate muslims, and thats exactly what they do. amerikans are taught to hate hispanics, and thats what they do. monkey see monkey do. amerikans, new zealanders, canadians, and australians beleive that when the white man stole the land of the aboriginals, that was justified
ambivalentmace:
Europeans are not taught to hate Muslims, they are taught to laugh at all relgions and be secular, they are discovering rather violently that they are wrong. China and Japan are strong countries because that don't follow multicultural bullshit, not because they do like the falling west. Morally right or morally wrong, left or right, don't care, the results speak for themselves. you are safer and less harrassed as an individual living in China or Japan than you are in most of the western countries unless you are wealthy snob living a protected neighborhood looking down on the deplorables of life. Like most things in life that you think you know, reality not perception usually kicks you in the ass if you think about it with logic and results and tell emotion and the right thing to do to go to hell. Perception, Hitler was the worse piece of shit on earth, but in China, people look up to and admire him, reality. Don't understand but its the facts on the ground, not some elite educator brainwashing the masses what to think.
your question want be allowed to stay on the website very long, at midnight or sooner, it will be gone, I don't think China even knows about 2-28 massacre in 1947.
ambivalentmace:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/06/25/how-does-china-cheat-on-trade-let-us-count-ways.ht
edgy:
i doubt amerikans, canadians, and australians know the brutal way in which white people exterminated the aboriginals
dokken:
we do know. it's in all the history books. because this happened we can never point out it also happened elsewhere?
ambivalentmace:
Migration, colonialism, war, these always happen, diseases, same thing, but political genocide of your own kind based on how they think or disagree with you is taking it to a whole new level in inflicting death and pain. This is a history that could have been avoided and the people involved always hold a grudge for life. If you want to avoid this, don't leave anybody alive to tell the story.
They think what they are told to think. That's the way it works here. Even the vast majority of 'educated' folk here have very little ability to question what they are taught.
ironman510:
All too true, it goes the same when it comes to questioning "warm water": So drinking warm water cures broken bone, the cold, vaccines problems and Taiwans history too. ( God I love drinking warm water now, lol sorry I had to get some sarcasm in while watching the Facebook stock, lets buy~later)
mike168229:
Ironman, can you believe that my wife has a cracked tooth and the fucking dentist told her to drink more hot water and it would be fine!
edgy:
most people believe what they are told. look at the europeans. theyre taught to hate muslims, and thats exactly what they do. amerikans are taught to hate hispanics, and thats what they do. monkey see monkey do. amerikans, new zealanders, canadians, and australians beleive that when the white man stole the land of the aboriginals, that was justified
ambivalentmace:
Europeans are not taught to hate Muslims, they are taught to laugh at all relgions and be secular, they are discovering rather violently that they are wrong. China and Japan are strong countries because that don't follow multicultural bullshit, not because they do like the falling west. Morally right or morally wrong, left or right, don't care, the results speak for themselves. you are safer and less harrassed as an individual living in China or Japan than you are in most of the western countries unless you are wealthy snob living a protected neighborhood looking down on the deplorables of life. Like most things in life that you think you know, reality not perception usually kicks you in the ass if you think about it with logic and results and tell emotion and the right thing to do to go to hell. Perception, Hitler was the worse piece of shit on earth, but in China, people look up to and admire him, reality. Don't understand but its the facts on the ground, not some elite educator brainwashing the masses what to think.
Click-bait thread!
Because of the strength ... Chinese strength.
Have a look at the title of new thread on Zero:
China is Done Playing “Tariff Tag”… It’s Now Looking to Crash the Markets by Phoenix Capita… - Jun 28, 2018 9:12 am
The last two times China devalued the Yuan like this, stocks ('add-it': 'on US Stock EX') dropped 11% and 12% in five sessions.
Western thinking ''Taiwan isn't/won't be part of mainland's teritory is 'pissing against the wind", IMO.
I stated the same on some thread here around 2012 ... and nothing has changed since then to convince me I could be wrong.
ambivalentmace:
Trump does not care if they crash the markets, that's just more jobs in America when nothing is shipped from China. China is playing poker with a guy who bankrupted 2 billion in loans on New Jersey casinos and told the banks they can run the damn things if they are so smart and they backed down and he kept them. He has been planning this for 12 years since they used his name in China and did not pay him. This is personal, the countries involved and the lives involved are of no consequence whatsoever, I warned everybody left and right that this is what he is, nobody listened. The phone call to the Taiwan president before he signed any laws was not accidental, it was very much intentional, and he is going to get his "pound of Flesh" from China, this has not even started yet.
edgy:
chinese weakness is probably more of a reason why they emphasize tw being part of china. look at puerto rico, amerikans dont even know where that is, let alone know its part of amerika. why? because amerika is strong, and has a solid footing in pr. china, on the other hand, doesnt have influence in tw, yet doesnt want it to fall into amerikan hands, therefore, emphasizes tw's status as being part of china
Wonder what would happen to the Chinese Fighter pilots that defected to the island County of Taiwan if China invade?
ambivalentmace:
yes, might be embarrassing to see under the hood of these so called copies of everybody else's technology, the gears with the mouse chasing the cheese might run out of oil or cheese or both.
edgy:
pla pilots have defected before. and they ended up comiting crimes in tw, robbery, murder. just goes to show the kinds of people who sympathize with amerikan inperialism. ive mentioned this before. you had alot of laotians who aided amerikan inperialism in indochina. they ended up being granted refugee status in the us, and comited crimes, and formed gangs in amerika. ive seen similar situations with syrians who helped amerikan inperialism end up in europe, also comiting crimes.
philbravery:
Lol...welcome our new CCP admin handler ...surprised you didn't delete the question and re write history ....muppet
In answer to the original question. ..China did have control of Taiwan up until China lost the 1896 War with Japan but since the end of ww2 Taiwan have done their own thing
blows my mind is claiming SCS. That's just like the President of Frog Country. ...... DeGaulle! 
ambivalentmace:
yes, I have been looking for the Russian sea, great britain bay, and American sea, but the only thing I found was an ocean that belongs to India, the Indian Ocean, must have claimed it before the British Empire had the chance.
ambivalentmace:
I'm terribly sorry, I forgot all about the Africans taking the "black sea" even though it's on another continent, don't want to leave anybody out of the conversation and be accused of white privilege.
You are correct. The PRC never did have soveignty over that Island. They claim to because , just like most of Siberia, North Korea, and Northern Vietnam, It was part of the Ming Dynasty,
A great story you want read in China.
Because as long as anyone can trace my identy from this account it really truly is a part of China.
Click bait indeed. Taiwain claims control over China, China claims control over Taiwan. How can you live here and not know this?
China passed a law in 2005, the anti-secession law. Under Hu Jintao. If Tawian claims independence, by law, PRC has to attack.
It is one nation, with two systems. Both have a claim to the whole.
Bit of a shame for the native islanders. The real Taiwanese I mean.
retiredinchina:
Let's hope it stays in limbo, the damage from buried nuclear weapons sold from France in the late 80's, not in silos, suicide destruction weapons, would basically make the taiwan strait a very quiet place for the next 10 thousand years and fishing in the south china sea would be a cancerous proposition.
edgy:
tw cant even control itself, let alone china. today's tw is nothing more than a vasal of the us. every tw president has to interview in amerika before even running for office
ambivalentmace:
I dont understand how you Chinese can spell "Africa", correctly but not America "Amerika", somebody never gave you spelling tests.
Scary part is. Some of the young people who've attended university elsewhere in the world, are still perfectly "brain"washed.
edgy:
you want to see brain washed? go to some universities in the west. these students really believe they live in a demokracy. lol
Scandinavian:
please don't generalize "the west", US is a fucking devlpoping country full of imbiciles. They do not have democracy.
I like to tell you: "Did I ... tell you or what?"
US airlines scramble to change Taiwan reference ahead of deadline set by China
Four major US airline carriers are making an eleventh-hour effort to change the way they refer to Taiwan on their websites, to reflect China’s mandated claim over the island’s sovereignty.
Jul 25, 2018 04:44
Where did all 'educated' ... posters go? 
Four major US airline carriers are making an eleventh-hour effort to change the way they refer to Taiwan on their websites, to reflect China’s mandated claim over the island’s sovereignty.
American Airlines Group Inc. became the latest US carrier that opted to comply with Beijing’s directive, which urged flight operators across the world not to refer to Taiwan as a separate legal entity. Ahead of the July 25 deadline, American’s website dropped reference to Taiwan’s independence, only listing Taipei’s airport code and city on its online portal. Hawaiian Airlines also changed its website reference to Taiwan offering its customers flights to “Taipei, Taipei” instead of “Taipei, Taiwan”, Reuters reported on Tuesday morning.
Another two major US carriers – United Airlines and Delta Air Lines Inc. – still included references to Taiwan as of late Tuesday but were set to make changes to honor the Chinese directive, a source familiar with the issue told Bloomberg.
Ahead of the Wednesday deadline, the Chinese foreign ministry expressed hope that all four US carriers will comply with the Civil Aviation Administration of China’s mandate, issued in April to over 40 companies flying to the island. Under the “One China” policy, Beijing considers Taiwan to be a province of China, one that will eventually be fully reunified with the mainland. Taiwan sees itself as a sovereign entity, Republic of China, which succeeds the nation of the same name that had been split by the civil war of 1940s.
“We hope the US government will urge relevant businesses to abide by the One China principle and make corrections on their websites as soon as possible,” Beijing spokesman Geng Shuang said Tuesday. “Adhering to the One China principle is the political foundation of the steady development of China-US relations, and the US side is well aware of this. The One China principle is non-negotiable.”
While US carriers are lagging behind with the adaptation of China’s demands, a number of non-US airlines, including Air Canada, Lufthansa, British Airways, and Air France-KLM had already made changes to their websites. In addition to referencing Taiwan as Chinese territory, China also asked the carriers to alter their route maps to display the island in the same color as mainland China. Chinese authorities also asked for the appropriate changes to apply to the territories of Hong Kong and Macau.
The White House, which is currently engaged in trade disputes with China, has previously called the Chinese demands “Orwellian nonsense,” that was part of a “growing trend by the Chinese Communist Party to impose its political views on American citizens and private companies.” On Tuesday, China reminded Washington that there would be “no room for negotiation” in its demand.
This article
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2156700/anxious-mainland...
does have one person saying she'd go to Taiwan to get her child vaccinated.
ironman510:
We just finished an antibodies blood test with our kid in Hong Kong, all was good, he was born in 2016. I guess that vaccine made its way far more east than south according to HK doctors.
Scandinavian:
my son also had his first shots in 2016, at the time we paid extra for imported vaccines.... which is bollocks because it just gives the nurse/doctor a higher profit for their scammy medication. If it's fake it might as well be the imported one that is faked
Because it is and will be again during our life time, a Taiwanese passport will become a China passport once again. Nothing can stop China from doing what they want, nothing! Not even a war. Taiwan is China.
ironman510:
Where does education come into this? I'm talking about the here and now, 30 years ago I would have used the past education to answer this. But I can't, what can we do to change the fate of one day Taiwan having China Passports? We couldn't stop them from building beautiful new islands, who can stop them or who would want to stop them? The U.S is actually pushing itself into a corner that they can't get out of, (thanks Trump~y).. China one day may very well be the country that the world looks upon, looks to, looks with envy and follows their orders, now, we might not be around for that day, but its coming and so are China Passports for Taiwan. What can the U.S do? Nothing, 100% nothing, Why do we call Obama the lazy president? Because he did nothing, he gave China everything they wanted, we heard more about his wifes fashion clothes or reported mass issues, but Obama did nothing for world order, Obama bought friendship overseas, now Trump is trying to fix that, but who gets the business that the U.S loses? China & India of course, and who's gonna need more business in the future once China sucks it all up? Taiwan! Of Course, Taiwan will need it and they will bow to China one of these days to get more business until one day we read in the news: China & Taiwan join hands to become one big market power house, by this time Hong Kong is already back by 100% with China passports & Hukou IDs .
ironman510:
@icnif77: (Education I trust): From the history, Taiwan did (does) belong to China, In 1895, unfortunately because of the qing government corruption result Taiwan was ceded to Japan, but in 1945 according to The Potsdam Proclamation, Taiwan was returned to China. So, throughout the history, Taiwan belongs to China. And it is indisputable like China's diaoyu islands.
icnif77:
It's not 'cause of the history ... or anything else, but this:
Why do educated Chinese people still believe Taiwan ...
or in other click-bait words: 'I was pulling ur leg a bit!'
ambivalentmace:
China will never have the island unless of course they want a Fukishima island, the French secretly sold them nuclear weapons just like Syria in the 80's, but these are not in silos to be used, they are buried for self destruction and not even under the governments control. Hope you like eating 2 headed fish.
ambivalentmace:
http://www.atimes.com/article/could-tokyo-ever-go-critical-and-make-nuclear-weapons/
They already have and they are better than anybody else's weapons.
Ironman has a point: Exactly what can stop one from making a passport for that island. No one stoped the Russians from waltzing into Crimea. Despite the fact that the Ukrainians had more firepower in the area than Moscow did at the time. Makes me think about North America. Whats to stop the US from "liberating" Canada before it becomes a friend on the communist block. After-all; Trump did say Canada was a threat to the US so he could scrap NAFTA and slap tariffs on Canadian imports.
ironman510:
Thats the same thought I had when I made my post, Russia! They did what they wanted and I gotta use the NBA for this: Kobe is China and Shaq is Russia, what happened when those 2 played together? They won and a China & Russia relatioship can do wonders or anything together, I wouldn't mess with that team,I wouldn't even want to hear their secret plans. The more I think about it, it tells me: The world is tired of the rich basters in the U.S ( I think there are 12 guys who run the markets), so are U.S workers, they are 1%!
icnif77:
Winning team for sure and it looks they were put together with intention. I can't call that 'stupid' 'cause if true, 1 stupid isn't enough ... 'stupid squared' might work as proper measure ...
ambivalentmace:
Clinton took the nuclear weapons away from Ukraine and Obama took the military stockpiles with agreements for protection that America did not honor. Russia was never allowed to have a year round warm weather shipping port. All of this could have been avoided but nothing was done.
edgy:
just like no one can stop the us from turning the western part of ukraine into a us vasal
icnif77:
All Taiwan's Embassies abroad are called 'Culural Center of Taiwan', and in London that 'center' is underground ... like underground train around the city. Guess 'why'?
Taiwan under International law isn't 'independed country' ... in other words, it belongs to China.
Pissing against the wind ....
ambivalentmace:
edgy, in case you don't know the history, russia added land to Ukraine in 92 hoping the Russian residents would offset the western thinking residents of the existing country to keep it Pro Russian or a least neutral, and the plan did not work, the western part was always western. The original Ukraine people in the old Ukraine border have always hated and despised the Russians, after all they were used as slave labor and forced to grow all the food for the Russians sort of like peasants and migrant workers get treated in China. They smile and act like they love you while your holding that gun of power and talk shit about you every night at the dinner table.
Just print the money, no problem
icnif77:
Somebody else applied the same technique ...i.e. 'Abolish the FED!' 
Because they are educated to believe that. They are not capable of thinking out of box, robotic thinking.
edgy:
thinking outside the box, you mean like those christians who believe theres a god? or those who believe that the wtc was actually knocked down by 4 saudis with box cutters. even your guy chomsky believes the official narrative, despite being a so called disident. when mr laden was suposedly asasinated in pakistan, did anyone from western academia stand out and say "that doesnt seem right. you have the us rejime asasinating mr laden. yet, there are no pictures, no videos. the body gets thrown in the ocean. something doesnt add up". no. they just swallow it whole...robotically. not a single person stood up from japan, south korea, singapore, or any other lackey, to question these fairy tales
ambivalentmace:
edgy, you may have that right, my sources in Israel say bin laden was already dead on ice in the bush era and he did not want to make a martyr out of him and left the body for Obama to deal with and they staged the whole thing and threw the frozen body in the sea to cover all the tracks. It would be funny as hell if it's true, making a perceived closet muslim kill another muslim who is secretly already dead to make a nobel peace prize scammer look more like a neocon warhawk, the irony is priceless. The creepy feeling that makes my hair stand up on my neck thinks there might be something to this because the navy seal who wrote a book to get rich off the story should have faced charges and court martial, but he was handled with kid gloves, perhaps because he could blow up the coverup, it makes it appear more real, and if you are going to be a hero for a lie, there should be a payday for the deception.
Simply putting it..." if you believe in a lie long enough. ..you believe it's true"
Because China is a broader concept, People's Republic of China is China, Republic of China is China, Qing is China, Ming is China. At the current stage, Taiwan is managed by Republic of China after they fail the civil war. So still China.
All Believers Unite ..., please!
In Shocking Rebuke To Beijing, Taiwan's Pro-Independence President Wins Landslide Re-election
Tsai Ing-wen took home nearly 58% of the vote...
hello,i am an educated Chinese.Because Taiwan is a grographical part of China from acident times.That is the ture history.Taiwan has a long colonial history,But because their political reasons,so many young people who live in Taiwan dont want to allow this history were confused.Chinese have great national cohesion.So we will never give up our compatriots who had received the abridged textbook by their politics.
sorrel:
hi,
many many countries in the world were part of other countries in the past, but are now independent states.
for example, does that mean that Poland is not a real country because it has been both an independent country AND part of different empires over the century?
or the Baltic states, or Eastern European states?
many at one time were ruled over by other empires.
parts of France were ruled by English kings in the past.
and there are many many more examples of this.
should we ignore the fact that they are individual countries now because at one time they were part of an empire?
This is like saying that Ireland is not a country because it was part of the British empire for so long.
Even China was not a unified country for '5000 years'
The many dynasties of China were not one unified country that is know as the People's Republic of China today, but China today is a product of centuries of war and conquest of different leaders.
the best know time depicting war (to non Chinese) is captured in the novel known as 'The Three Kingdoms'
even the name of this novel shows that there was not 1 China.
therefore is is illogical to claim Taiwan as part of China if the people there have chosen to have their own system of government from the People's Republic.
And this system of government has been different from the People's Republic for as long as the People's Republic has been in existence.
