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Q: Are borders still closed? Why are there YT vids of new expat teachers?

Almost every week, I see a new YT vid of foreign teachers - some new admitees and/or with new contracts -

If borders are still closed, how are they getting the visas to get into China? 

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"Covid 19"
A pandemic so deadly that it killed science, Liberty, human rights, due process, logic, evidence-based medicine, and common sense.

icnif77:

Real purpose of all this pandemic is elsewhere ....  tin-foils and all.

 

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They're not new visas. People with a current RP are still, in theory at least, able to leave and return, the same way a Chinese citizen would be able to. They need to show a negative covid test within (I think ) 72 hours of their departure flight and be fully vaxxed then go through the quarantine period. I know people who have done this.

 

I've also heard of people who haven't been able to return, maybe they couldn't get a quarantine hotel spot, maybe they couldn't arrange the covid test within the time frame - who knows.

Hotwater:

I disagree. They are new teachers. If you follow Reddit you'll see on the Chinavisa sub that work permits are being issued though with even more hoops to jump through. 
 

new teachers are getting in

 

(I'll crawl back under my rock now - see you next year)

2 years 18 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

Ok, I stand corrected then.

 

Being China maybe different provinces are doing different things but the schools I know are hurting, they can't get people in and a recruiter I know said online recently her company is having to pretty much write China off for now as far as recruiting goes.

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OT: @Green-ish Stiggs ...

 

  • MP cycles to hospital to give birth for second time
    MP cycles to hospital to give birth for second time
     

    A cycling-advocate MP from New Zealand’s Green Party has used the eco-friendly means of transportation to get to a hospital to give birth. It was the second time the emission-conscious lawmaker has done so.

    Nov 28, 2021 08:13  

 

2 years 17 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

She's weak. A real Kiwi woman would ride a pogo stick there.

2 years 17 weeks ago
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icnif77:

 Do women have to wear a bra while pogo-ing ... ? 

 

... I was always wondering 

 

I had to Yahoo-gle what's pogo stick ... 

2 years 17 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

It's up to each individual woman to decide but it seems like it would probably be a good idea.

 

Of course, not all women are created equal...

2 years 17 weeks ago
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icnif77:

Leave the Darwin alone ...

I mean, you should know 'cause often pogos there ...

 

I fancy ones without the need of the bra at pogo ... 

2 years 17 weeks ago
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Pubs with outdoor seating with a view of a busy intersection are hugely popular in NZ. The light changes to green, the commuters bounce off, the blokes with their sweaty palms order another beer and wait for the next change of the traffic lights.

2 years 17 weeks ago
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icnif77:

You have a summer there, I forgot ...

 

We're freezing here at -7*C this am, some 2cm of snow, which will melt later ..., but everything is white ready for the Santa Claus arrival ...

2 years 17 weeks ago
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Stiggs:

Christmas in winter, that must suck. I'll be doing BBQs in the sun and hopefully a bit of surfing over Christmas.

 

 

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icnif77:

You know, your Christmas BBQ thingy is laughable on northern hemisphere. 

 

Sometimes at mild winters, there's no snow in the valleys by December ... and people rebel ... with:

"I am very sad this year 'cause no white Christmas .." 

 

You would have Qs here ...

 

"Do you have an indoor BBQ in yer home? How do you manage a smoke ...? " 

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Yep, I've lived  in the north and had white Christmasses before, but there's no chance of that in NZ.

 

Indoor BBQ? Hell no. BBQs are for the back yard, beaches, camping etc. Go to the beach on Christmas day and there will be lots of families there doing Xmas at the beach.

 

Aside from that you'd kill yourself - a BBQ releases CO2 and so cooking inside is dangerous.

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icnif77:

Yeah, I understand all BBQ thingy. The problem here would be with 'BBQ for Christmas ..'.

 

People here usually don't enjoy BBQ outdoors in a snow and cold ... except-o Swedish ... They go for a swim in freezing ...

 

When I was in USA, I resided at two places on East coast, North until the end of September and then move to Florida until the end of May .. and again ... I had summer year around.

 

I often miss that after I left USA especially in cold, winter weather. At your 'Christmas BBQ' yesterday, I was thinking about moving to NZ while here is a winter.

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Lucky you 'cause if you come back to China, you won't be able to u-Tube ...

 

I was u-tubbing yesterday "Construction of Giza pyramids" in Egypt seen through the eyes of the most renowned world scientists, i.e. physics, mathematicians (geometry), architects, astronomers, geologists ...

 

Ancient structures in Egypt are perfectly aligned with similar structures around the world, Mariana Islands, Cuzco in Peru, Easter Islands in Chile, Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, and more ... even ancient structures in Xi'an, Shaanxi ... about which Chinese gov. doesn't want to talk whatsoever similar to UN missions for determination of Cofid outbreak in Wahun ...

 

https://www.ancient-code.com/ancient-code-ancient-sites-that-align-in-a-...

 

"Did you know that ancient sites like Easter Island, Nazca, Ollantaytambo, Paratoari, Tassili n’Ajjer and the Pyramids of Giza are all aligned on a single great circle? There is a mind-boggling connection among ancient structures that is indicative of a far greater meaning than we were aware of.

 

There have been numerous theories that ancient structures around the globe were specifically positioned by its ancient builder’s thousands of years ago. Perhaps one of the best examples –according to many— is the Great Pyramid of Giza and its curious position on Earth. For those of you who didn’t know, the Great Pyramid of Giza is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. Furthermore, the weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5,955,000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the earth’s mass. As you can see, ancient structures were built with a mind-boggling precision." broken heart

 

Verdict is: ancient buildings from some 10 000 years (or even earlier ..) before the Christ were built by an advanced civilization most likely not from this Earth ...

 

I've always had a feeling am from somewhere else ... 

 

I don't want to return to China ...broken heart

 

Utmost interesting ...world out of China ...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fS9ixfQ_no

 

U-tube bonus ...

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=khatia+buniatishvili

Putin4ever:

China is still a 1000x better place to live than the USA. I am from the USA and have been to China a few times and cant wait until i can go back. I would not leave China unless if I did not have to. I left the USA because i hate the US government and i hate the military industrial complex. I like Xi Jinping and the CCP and they are one of the reason I love China so much. When i was a child i used to dream about living in the Soviet Union as I always admire Stalin.

      It is my understanding that in order to be able to go to China one needs a PU letter unless they have been vaccinated with Sinovac or Sinopharm. I am currently in Cambodia and I am hoping to be able to be fully vaccinated by the end of next week. Then I can go back to teaching in China and investing my savings in Russia. it is my dream to renounce my US citizenship in the future so i never have to return to the USA again. I like living places where I am free to badmouth the US government and military and everyone around me agrees with me.

2 years 19 weeks ago
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icnif77:

You might wanna give them (to Chinese) a hand ... surprise

 

China Demands US Immediately End All Official Contacts With Taiwan

 

Comes after large, 13-member Republican congressional delegation trip to the island...

 

2 years 19 weeks ago
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icnif77:

You're lying, you Chinese bot ... broken heart

 

https://kh.usembassy.gov/important-notice-to-american-citizens/

 

Message to American Citizens: U.S. passport holders may be denied entry into Cambodia. broken heart

 

  • *U.S. passport holders have been denied boarding on flights to Cambodia, and American citizens have been turned around at port of entry. 
  •  
  • *Cambodian authorities have not yet clarified the application of this suspension for individuals currently outside of the country with valid Cambodia residence or work permits, or for individuals from the five cited countries seeking to enter Cambodia from other points of origin.

2 years 19 weeks ago
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@Putin4ever .... ok champ....

nascarcasm on Twitter: "CUP DRIVERS: Imma run the truck race so I can learn  things for the Cup race THE SKY: https://t.co/dud28f5YWB" / Twitter

2 years 19 weeks ago
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Back to the topic ...  

 

pyramid hologram GIFs Search | Find, Make & Share Gfycat GIFs
 
 

 

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@Stiggs ... 

 

I found redo of your ...

'SHIB' stands for crypto with full name Shiba Inu. It had a run-off in price over +150% in 2-days last week ... and since the low in January 2021 some +2000% ...

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I never left China.

Stiggs:

If you'd tried to go to NZ when covid started you'd probably still be trying to get a hotel quarantine spot. The system is a bit crap.

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icnif77:

This guy @Stiggs always get all A-o-t-D-s ...broken heart

 

  

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icnif77:

Maybe better for you, you've never left ... or not ...

 

The latest:

 

COVID-19 Spreads To 31 Provinces In China, Residents Panic-Shopping, Communities Locked-Down

 

For people quarantined at home, the authorities put seals on their doors or installed door sensors on their home and apartment doors to prevent them from going out...

 

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Stiggs:

It's not like delta isn't everywhere else though, China's a pretty good place to be as far as that goes.

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icnif77:

Travelling around the world gets worst and worst together with extra restrictions in EU ...

 

Can't go to the bank anymore without vax-cert. or negative Cofid in my city as the newest one from last week.

 

Will not travel whatsoever unless all normalizes, i.e. stay-put-online ... 

 

...also the latest about Cofid vax loses protection after 6-months or so ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/study-reveals-dramatic-decline-all-three-covid-19-vaccines-over-time

Between early March and September, as the Delta variant rapidly became the dominant strain worldwide, the ability of Moderna's two-dose vaccine to prevent infections dropped from 89% - 58%, Pfizer's went from 87% - 45%, and J&J's single-dose vaccine went from 86% to just 13% ...

 

Interesting comments of vaccinated people ..., i.e. better stay-away-of-Cofid-vax ...

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"Will not travel whatsoever unless all normalizes, i.e. stay-put-online ..."

 

I doubt things will be pre-covid style normal again, covid is here to stay and will probably continue to be a pain in everyone's arse.

 

I think will '22 will be an in interesting year. As more and more countries get their vaccination numbers up they'll nervously open the borders again and hope it doesn't blow up in their faces. There will be lots of people getting sick etc but hopefully the numbers will be manageable and the world will figure out a way to work around the virus.

 

Booster shots, proof of vaccination for travel etc will likely be a thing for quite some time which is obviously not ideal but it's pretty much the only way some sort of normal can happen again. Hopefully another new wicked strength variant doesn't emerge that puts us back at square one.

 

 

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Speechless ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/austria-moves-closer-imposing-lockdown-unvaccinated

 

Austria Moves Closer to Imposing Lockdown on the Unvaccinated

 

Austria has moved closer to imposing a full lockdown on the unvaccinated after those who haven’t had the jab were banned from entering a long list of public spaces.

“The entry ban will come into effect next week and will apply to cafes, bars, restaurants, theaters, ski lodges, hotels, hairdressers and any event involving more than 25 people,” reports RT.

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Stiggs:

It won't be long before it's a workplace health and safety requirement IMO.

 

You probably couldn't smoke a cigarette in those places because the business owners are responsible for the safety of their staff and guests,and smokers harm others through passive smoking.This is the same principle.

 

The un- vaxxed are more likely to spread the virus and more likely to catch a serious dose of the virus, to a business that would make them a liability. To a government responsible for trying to maintain a working health system they'd be even more of a liability.

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icnif77:

But, the vaccine isn't totally safe and it become kind of pointless after the several months.

Aprox. every third Austrian isn't vaxed, so restriction at public life toward the non-vaxed is kind of .gov force, which many of Europeans don't agree with ...

The same restrictions are coming most likely to the whole EU. Austria, Italy, Krout-berg, France are all implementing the similar restrictions.

There were huge demonstrations against the Cofid pass in Italian cities last weekend.

 

Myself, I am keep looking for some excuse for not getting vaxxed, but there's none. Flat feet, bad back and similar ...  

Now, if they close the groceries for the non-vaxxed, I'll have to go for it. You can't live out of the Internet ...

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It probably depends on which vaccine you're talking about but when you say it's not totally safe I assume you mean the cases where people have reactions to it. Those cases, while they do happen are also very rare when you look at the billions of doses being administered around the world. Similar numbers of people have reactions to penicillin, peanuts, common everyday medications, seafood... but most people wouldn't boycott them on the offchance they'd have a bad experience. The chances of you having a very bad or fatal experience  as a result of catching covid are much greater than the chances of you having some sort of reaction to the vaccine.

 

Yep, you'll probably need a booster shot every year, or at least until a new strain comes through and takes us all out or the scientists find a cure or something...

But so what? Countless people around the world take daily medications to control various conditions. They might not like having to do that but they're probably grateful a solution to their unpleasant medical condition exists and they have access to it. A booster shot every 6 months / year doesn't seem like a big deal to me when you consider the alternative.

 

But hell, I'm not here to try to convince you do get a shot, do what you want. 

EDIT I will say this though... how many of those 'you can't make me get the shot / don't trust the system or the doctors' herd expect the doctors and the system to look after them, or their parents, spouse etc when they're really sick and need hospital care? Most of them i would guess.

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Yeah, I'd say that is/was the purpose of the hospitals in the first place, i.e. you go in when you're ill. ... and by you (and others ...) I'll have to submit to vaccine to be able to enter the hospital????

 

I'll might do it just for the purpose of travelling ...

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Democracy in full swing, i.e. Protest-you-all in EU ... surprise

 

Protest in Austria as government mulls lockdown for unvaccinated (VIDEO)

 

Protesters in Salzburg, Austria’s fourth-largest city, denounced a regional plan to ban the unvaccinated from leaving their homes for non-essential reasons. The government will decide whether to make the ban nationwide on Sunday.

Nov 14, 2021 07:34  

A large black banner with the word ‘Revolution’ was carried, as well as signs reading “Freedom” and “‘No’ Remains ‘No.’”

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Borders are still closed. Work permit letters are being issued but PU letters are scarce. The best option is to be inoculated with Sinovac or Sinopharm at the moment.

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One place you might try is a village in the amazon rain forest, I forget the name, but there are many. Simply meander around once you've parachuted into a rain forest and locate a tribe who's willing to accept your inconsequential teaching of English in exchange for your head. Simple is as simple does. Good luck!

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Get some statistics. I don't think the number of teachers coming into China with a NEW visa is as many as you think.

 

First important point is that you understand the difference between a visa and a residence permit. Visas are issued by consulates or embassies overseas. Residence permits can ONLY be issued in China. Those still in China in most situations do not have an issue. Next, even if you have received the Chinese vaccine there is nothing that makes the process of coming to China easier.

 

1. If you are currently out of China and do not hold a valid residence permit, then you would need a PU invitation letter. The employer applies for this at the Department of Foreign Affairs. There are at least three levels of approval. It takes A LOT of time and there are a lot of documents involved. If you only meet the basic requirements then your chances are low.

Next, once you have that and assuming you received the visa then you would have to deal with the procedures to actually get to China which usually involves a COVID test at a designated lab in the city of departure within 48 hours of departure and applying for the international green healthcode online. 

Then, once you are in China, you will be subject to quarantine and further COVID tests, etc.

 

2. If you hold a currently valid residence permit for work, private affairs, or family reunion, it is possible that you could leave China and return without obtaining a PU letter and new visa, but in a real way this is not practical. - flight costs and other related fees, quarantine and quarantine costs, etc. The chance of getting "stuck" remains a real issue still.

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for english native speakers it's getting easier to get PU letters that's why they can get the visa

 

for anyone else the situation is bad as usual

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The PU invitation letters are not being approved. It's that simple. Schools may have you go through the hoops for a visa application, but the PU letters are not being accepted by the PSB or many Embassies themselves. I know five teachers, all of whom teach at university level, who have been waiting over ages for their letters to be approved by the Chinese govt. 

 

There is no support within the Chinese government for the normal influx of foreigners into China. 

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@core2K: are the five teachers from the officaly recognized English-speaking countries?

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People with new visas have been able to come to China on a case by case basis. It mainly depends on the school or company applying for PU letters, some have more juice than others but overall it is still very hard to get in.

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@ icnif...  reply to your question above, the comment thing doesn't seem to be working.

 

 

... and by you (and others ...) I'll have to submit to vaccine to be able to enter the hospital????

 

No, that's not what I said.

 

My point was that a lot of those people who say the doctors don't know shit, don't trust their opinion and refuse to listen when the hospitals and government are begging people to get a shot to prevent them ending up in hospital change their mind very quickly when covid comes into their life.

icnif77:

We're fcuked ... surprise

 

World’s first nationwide lockdown for the unvaxxed approved             

 

Austria will impose new curbs on the unvaccinated starting from Monday. The measure aims to ease pressure on hospitals and ICUs.

The lockdown will come into effect at midnight and will apply to people aged 12 and older who have not been vaccinated and have not recently recovered from Covid-19.

Interior Minister Karl Nehammer earlier said lockdown violators would face hefty fines. Customers may be punished with a fine of up to €500 ($573) for flouting restrictions while businesses may be slapped with a penalty of up to €30,000 ($34,354).

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Stiggs:

A  lot of us here will be, especially if, like me you're three quarters neanderthal.

 

Covid-19: DNA from Neanderthals affects vulnerability to coronavirus

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300239453/covid19-dna-from-neanderthals-affects-vulnerability-to-coronavirus

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icnif77:

I ain't, lucky me! I'd say, you all NZ-ers are highly suspicious on Neanderthal thingy ... mixed races and all ..

By most parameters of my DNA, I most likely ain't from this planet ... and still don't have an ease on Cofid vax ... from these Earthy mastards ... 

In my neck of the woods, any public office you attempt to enter, you must show either negative Cofid cert. or proof of vaccination.

As banker (around 25-years old chap) was asking me last week if I've got vaccinated, I replied: "YES .., long time ago. Do you want to see the mark?" .. while I touched my L shoulder ... surprise

It was vaccine against the black plague ... or something.  

He just rolled the eyes ... and replied "No, Cofid ..??"

I was thinking later, young peps might don't even know what black plague was, but we all get yaxxed at the beginning of the Primary school. There is a permanent vax. mark on the shoulder.

I have next must-show appointment at the public office in some 10-days time and I'll have to get tested ... I hope, testing against Cofid isn't costly and doesn't hurt ...

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Add-it: Cofid testing price is 9 EUR, valid for 3-days ..

I read an interesting article about Cofid vaccine today. Did you know, some insects can glow in the dark?? The protein insects produce to glow is called 'Luciferase'.

Now, some (scientists) are saying, Cofid vaccine contains that protein and helps vaxxed human to be identified by the electronics ..

 

Here is the read, i.e. .gov denies Cofid vaccine contains Luciferase ...

 

https://theconversation.com/claims-that-covid-jabs-can-be-used-to-track-you-with-luciferase-are-false-the-substance-isnt-even-in-the-vaccine-171521

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Stiggs:

Lol those people are hilarious.

 

Someone starts a wild rumor, probably as a joke to see how much nonsense he can get people to believe. The tinfoil hat wearers become convinced the vaccine is tracking them so refuse to get a shot.

 

They get up in the morning, post in their online forums, put their smartphone in their pockets and their smart watch on their wrist and leave the house - they'll stop to buy a few things paying with their bankcards, swiping their supermarket loyalty cards and taking selfies everywhere they go which they put on facebook that evening while watching their paid for by credit card netflix on their smart tv..

 

They're clever though, they'll never let the man know where they buy their toilet paper and tinfoil.

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icnif77:

One or few of them was/were apparently scientists. I read it quickly and then I went to search about glowing insect's protein ... I didn't have time to return and reread the article.

Anyhow, it's too much push toward the vaccine, so I guess, sumtin' is fishy ...

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Stiggs:

"Anyhow, it's too much push toward the vaccine, so I guess, sumtin' is fishy ..."

 

Too much push?

 

There's a global pandemic going on, it has killed an estimated 5 million people, it's wrecking economies,it's overwhelming hospitals, it's showing no sign of stopping and the vaccines are pretty much the only way to fight it. 

 

And you think governments trying to fight the virus instead of making the situation worse is fishy? 

 

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It would be fishy if they weren't trying to get people vaxxed.

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I'll shorten it up ... and I ain't a believer ... similar to god thingy ...  and I won't submit voluntarily!

 

On the other side of the bling, 'scientist-in-moi' is saying .."vaccine doesn't protect you against Cofid ..." and I promise, I won't go to the hospital if I get a flu.

 

I can't stand MDs, hospitals and all ...

 

https://thewatchtowers.org/rna-vaccine-by-moderna-contains-luciferin-dissolved-with-66-6ml-of-distilled-phosphate/

RNA vaccine by Moderna contains Luciferin dissolved with 66.6ml of distilled phosphate ... more ...

 

https://dundasvalley.files.wordpress.com/2021/08/pfizer-pharmacokinetics-and-toxicity.pdf

The model protein used in this study was a firefly protein called luciferase. This is the very protein that permits fireflies to glow in the dark. When the rats' body cells take up the mRNA that encodes luciferase and then synthesize the protein, they, too, will begin to glow in the dark. ... more ..

 

Search for the term 'luciferase' will produce more ... knowledge ... I've read so much about it, I might already glow .. a bit, he he

 

One more ... on search at Moderna patents ...

https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/luciferase-was-bad-but-it-gets-worse

Let me repeat: Luciferase is INCLUDED in the mRNA sequence of the Moderna patent!

So I’m right — and the corporate media is wrong. Does this surprise anybody?

The corporate press has already admitted that Luciferase was used in the testing phase of the vaccines as well. So it’s listed in the mRNA sequence of the Moderna patent AND it’s used in the testing of the vaccines but I’m a conspiracy theorist?

One more thing: the new COVID-19 antibody test is called SATiN and it uses Luciferase. No, I’m not kidding. Just click here to see for yourself.

Let me repeat that information: the antibody test is called SATiN. ... more ...

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Two minutes on google turn up plenty of articles debunking the luciferase thing. Here's one...    http://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-moderna-luciferin-idUSL1N2MT265

 

VERDICT

False. The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine does not contain luciferin or luciferase.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .

 

Even if they did contain it though it wouldn't mean they're using the luciferase / vaccine to track you - assuming that is even possible - and it won't make you glow in the dark.

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icnif77:

Nobody uses GOOG anymore ... What is the matter with yaa?

You're hanging on Corporate Press....

 

Luciferase makes rat (or mice) glow ...  

See study at one of my links....

 

Vaccinated human wouldn't glow 'cause of the higher body mass, but it could be detected somehow ... by the satellite surprise or  by the UAP ... in the air over Whakatane .. 

 

I've never been to Whakatane ...

 

Am well informed, mind you!  broken heart

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Next ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/germany-preparing-impose-austria-style-lockdown-unvaxxd

 

Germany Preparing To Impose Austria-Style Lockdown On The Unvaxxe'd

 

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Imagine being an ET in Turkey with fixed pay in TRY ... and drop of 6% overnight ..

Since, I left Turkey at the end of 2019, EX-rate for TRY against major currencies is over 90% lower ...

 

https://news.yahoo.com/turkeys-currency-woes-skyrocket-lira-085012303.html

 

"People on the streets of Istanbul, however, told Reuters they feel more burdened than ever."

"Everything is so expensive, the living conditions are getting really difficult. We cannot afford certain luxuries or tastes anymore."

Inflation in Turkey currently stands at four times the official target and has lingered in double-digits for most of the past five years.

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New lucky-you-ain't-there ... broken heart

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/erdogan-meets-central-bank-chief-lira-craters-almost-20-hours

 

Erdogan Meets With Bank Chief As Lira Craters Almost 20% In Hours 

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It sounds like they need to get rid of their brilliant leader.

 

"After a meeting between Erdogan and central bank Governor Sahap Kavcioglu, the bank issued a statement saying the selloff was "unrealistic and completely detached" from economic fundamentals."

 

 

"Former bank deputy governor Semih Tumen, who was dismissed last month in the latest round of Erdogan's rapid leadership overhaul, called for an immediate return to policies which protect the lira's value.

"This irrational experiment which has no chance of success must be abandoned immediately and we must return to quality policies which protect the Turkish lira's value and the prosperity of the Turkish people," he said on Twitter."

 

http://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkish-lira-drifts-off-record-low-

 

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At the last he-elected-himself, Erdo appointed his son-in-law for the Financial minister with no previous experience in financial sector whatsoever ... Lira is tanking around 100% or more per year, 'cause Erdo is keep cutting the interest rates ... 

 

Not that I am interested that much into Turkey, but I was imagining being still there and working as an ET on pre-set salary with 20% lower pay at the wake-up just a week after the similar wake-up of 6% TRY drop. 

 

Turks are eager to get accepted in Euro zone, but Schengen hesitates for some 10-15 years already.

Last news from EU about Erdo was last night as " Turkish .. human rights violations .." as Erdo jailed some 600 people 'suspected' of being in touch with Gulen, exiled Turkish politician in USA.

It was a play by USA in 2016, but Vladimirovich-ras-Putin warned Erdo, USA wants to replace him and Erdo made pogrom around Turkey ...

Vlad also sold him in the same time S-400, the most advanced missile defence system with Turkish being ZATO member and having the 2nd most powerful army in alliance.

 

15-years of cartoonish times in Turkey ...

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Unstoppable baklava ...

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hyperinflation-turkey-wine-prices-15-one-day-chicken-and-cheese-10

 

Hyperinflation In Turkey: Wine Prices Up 15% In One Day, Chicken And Cheese Up 10%

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"Few minutes on Google ..." 

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/how-escape-google

 

I told you, ZeroHedge is looking after us ...

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no broken heart I have a new one ... more English based one ...  

 

"The Omicron Variant" – Magic Pills, Or Solving The Africa Problem?

 

Yesterday the WHO labelled the sars-cov-2 variant B.1.1.529 as a “variant of concern” and officially named it “Omicron”. 

 

This was as entirely predictable as it is completely meaningless. The “variants” are just tools to stretch the story out and keep people on their toes.

If you want to know exactly how the Omicron variant is going to affect the narrative, well The Guardian has done a handy “here’s all the bullshit we’re gonna sell you over the next couple of weeks” guide:

  • * The Omicron variant is more transmissable, but they don’t know if it’s more dangerous yet (keeping their options open)

  • * It originated in Africa, possible mutating in an “untreated AIDS patient” (sick people are breeding grounds for dangerous “mutations”)

  • * “it has more than double the mutations of Delta…scientists anticipate that the virus will be more likely to infect – or reinfect – people who have immunity to earlier variants. (undermining natural immunity, selling more boosters, keeping the scarefest going)

  • * “Scientists are concerned” that current vaccines may not be as effective against the new strain, they may need to be “tweaked” (get your boosters, and the new booster we haven’t invented yet)

  • * “Scientists expect that recently approved antiviral drugs, such as Merck’s pill, will work as effectively against the new variant” (more on this later)

  • * It’s already spreading around the world, and travel bans may be needed to prevent the need for another lockdown

We’re already seeing preparations for more “public health measures”, with the press breathlessly quoting “concerned” public health officials. We’re being told that a new lockdown won’t be necessary…as long as we remember to get boosted and wear masks and blah blah blah.

Generally speaking, it’s all fairly boilerplate scary nonsense. Although it is quite funny that the Biden administration has already put a bunch of African nations on a travel ban list, when Biden called Trump a racist for doing the same thing in 2020.

 

AFRICA

It’s interesting that the new variant has allegedly come from Africa, perhaps “mutating in the body of an AIDS patient”, since Africa has been the biggest hole in the Covid narrative for well over a year.

Africa is by far the poorest continent, it is densely populated, malnourishment and extreme poverty are endemic across many African nations, and it is home to more AIDS patients than the entire rest of the world combined. And yet, no Covid crisis.

This is a weak point in the story, and always has been.

Last Summer, the UK’s virus modeller-in-chief Neil Ferguson attempted to explain it by arguing that African nations have, on average, younger populations than the rest of the world, and Covid is only a threat to the elderly. But five minutes of common sense debunks that idea.

The reason Africa has a younger population, on average, is that – on average – they are much sicker.

There are diseases endemic to large parts of Africa that are all but wiped out in most of the Western world. Cholera, typhus, yellow fever, tuberculosis, malaria. Access to clean water, and healthcare are also much more limited.

And while it has been nailed into the public mind that being elderly is the biggest risk factor for Covid, that is inaccurate. In fact, the biggest risk factor for dying “of Covid” is, and always has been, already dying of something else.

The truth is that any REAL dangerous respiratory virus would have cut a bloody swath across the entire continent.

Instead, as recently as last week, we were getting articles about how Africa “escaped Covid”, and the continent’s low covid deaths with only 6% of people vaccinated is “mystifying” and “baffling” scientists.

Politically, African nations have shown themselves far less likely to buy into the “pandemic” narrative than their European, Asian or American counterparts. At least two “Covid denying” African presidents – Pierre Nkurunziza of Burundi and John Magufuli of Tanzania – have died suddenly in the last year, and seen their successors immediately reverse their covid policies.

So maybe the Omicron Variant is a way of trying to fold Africa into the covid narrative that the other continents have already fully embraced. That will become clear as the story develops.

Of course, it’s also true that being “African” is media shorthand for being scary, relying on the deeply-seated xenophobia of Western audiences. See: “Africanized killer bees”.

But, either way, Africa is the long game. There’s a more obvious, and more cynical, short term agenda here.

THE MAGIC PILLS

Let’s go back to the Guardian’s “Omicron” bullet points, above:

  • * Scientists are concerned by the number of mutations and the fact some of them have already been linked to an ability to evade existing [vaccine-created] immune protection.

  • * Scientists expect that recently approved antiviral drugs, such as Merck’s pill, [will work effectively] against the new variant

The “new variant” is already being described as potentially resistant to the vaccines, but NOT the new anti-viral medications.

Pharmaceutical giants Merck and Pfizer are both working on “Covid pills”, which as recently as three days ago, were being hyped up in the press:

US may have a ‘game changer’ new Covid pill soon, but its success will hinge on rapid testing

In the US, an emergency use authorisation can only be issued if there is no effective medication or treatment already available, so the vaccines not being proof against Omicron would be vital to rushing the pills onto the US market, at least.

If Omicron is found to be “resistant to the vaccines”, but NOT the pills, that will give governments an excuse to rush through approving the pills on an EUA, just as they did with the vaccines.

So, you bet your ass that testing is gonna be “rapid”. Super rapid. Blink-and-you’ll-miss-it rapid. Rapid to the point you’re not even sure it definitely happened. And now they have an excuse.

Really, it’s all just more of the same.

A scare before the new year. An excuse to make people believe their Christmas could be in peril. An exercise in flexing their control muscles a bit, milking even more money out of the double-jabbed and boosted crowd, now newly terrified of the Omicron variant, and a nice holiday bump to Pfizer’s ever-inflating stock price.

At this point either you can see the pattern, or you can’t. You’re free of the fear machinery, or you’re not.

There is one potential silver lining here: It feels rushed and frantic. Discovered on Tuesday, named on Friday, travel bans on Saturday. It is hurried, and maybe that’s a reaction to feeling like the “pandemic” is losing its grip on the public mind.

Hopefully, as the narrative becomes more and more absurd, more and more people will wake up to reality.

 

OP: "Omicron Cofid variant might be the most dangerous one 'cause ..."

 

It has been pointed out that “Omicron” is an anagram of “moronic”

 

     no   

 

One wonders if that’s deliberate and they’re making fun of us.

 

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Germany's New Chancellor Says Mandatory Covid Jabs "Necessary" To Contain Fourth Wave

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“Too many people have not got vaccinated,” Scholz told Bild television. Making jabs compulsory is justified “to protect us all”...

 

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Haha, that'll cause a few purple faced tantrums.

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Marcus Lamb, the co-founder of the leading Christian TV network Daystar who railed against Covid-19 vaccines, has died of Covid-19. He was 64 years old.

Lamb, who was the chief executive of the conservative network that reaches an estimated 2 billion viewers worldwide, died on Tuesday, weeks after contracting the coronavirus.

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Just 'cause you all waxxed ... will ... never, ever get inf-l-ected ... The Lancet is reporting ..

 

Dec 1, 2021 16:22
Mass vaccination fails to halt Covid transmission rates – study

Mass vaccination fails to halt Covid transmission rates – study

Successful vaccine rollouts have failed to stop Covid transmission, with new data showing the prevalence of the virus increasing in fully jabbed individuals, according to a medical study in The Lancet.                    

 

 

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Straight from the Government (check out the official report on the link below)The British government has spilled the beans about that fact that once you get double jabbed, you will never again be able to acquire full natural immunity.

In its Week 42 “COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report,” the U.K. Health Security Agency admitted on page 23 that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” It goes on to explain that this antibody drop is basically permanent. What’s this mean? We know the vaccines do not stop infection or transmission of the virus (in fact, the report shows elsewhere that vaccinated adults are now being infected at much HIGHER rates than the unvaccinated).What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people. In the long term, people who take the vaccine will be far more vulnerable to any mutations in the spike protein that might come along, even if they have already been infected and recovered once, or more than once. The unvaccinated, meanwhile, will procure lasting, if not permanent, immunity to all strains of the alleged virus after being infected with it naturally even just once.

Read it for yourself.. Page 24.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

 

icnif77:

I am very curious ... Are yer British hair naturally blond or you dye ...?

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are you suggesting i am a bottle blonde ?

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No, whatsoever! I was thinking about "bee's knees ..".  

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I totally agree with you, Blondie. Most probably this vaccine is to mess with the natural immune system, indeed. Well, we will find out later on, say some years ahead, about the true face of this garbage and its reason to have it in our bodies, the plague. Meanwhile, we must learn to live with this bloody inoculation until the truth will come off. Hopefully it won't make anyone become a zombie. Joking on the last one.

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Ozzies are protesting hard ... together with Europeans, he he ... against Cofid restrictions and vax. mandates ... last week's news.

I read an estimate of 2M deaths projected in EU this winter with Africa being only slightly affected despite rates of vaxxed in Africa are the lowest in the world. Africans have warm weather and in EU we're freezing.

I have to go for my first Cofid test Friday morning ... Can't go into any public office here without neg.-Cofid cert ...

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https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/a-pandemic-of-the-vaccinated-or-ivermectin-ignored/article_2fb8e67c-4c89-11ec-8a97-a7954a7ae6dd.html
"The World Health Organization stood ready to declare smallpox eradicated following the last known case in 1977 in Somalia. However, another human being contracted the dreaded disease in Birmingham, England, an industrial community 100 miles outside of London.

Janet Parker, 40, a medical photographer who worked in the anatomy department at Birmingham Medical School, began showing symptoms on Friday, August 11, 1978. Her case would ignite a fierce controversy about whether variola, the scientific name for the smallpox virus, had escaped a medical laboratory.

After the disease was confirmed as smallpox, her immediate family, including her parents were quarantined and vaccinated as were a total of 500 contacts. Although her mother developed a mild infection, she survived. None of the others in direct contact with Janet contracted the disease, the nursing staff, the orderlies, nor anyoe else. The vaccines were nearly perfectly protection against transmission.

Parker's condition progressed relentlessly, leaving her almost blind in both eyes, with pneumonia and renal failure. She died on September 11, 1978.

But how did Janet get exposed? Professor Henry Bedson directed the smallpox laboratory at the medical school where Janet Parker was employed. It was one of only a few worldwide that conducted WHO-related smallpox research. Professor Bedson was a virologist who headed the Microbiology Department at the University of Birmingham, and his area of specialty was poxviruses.

Reginald Shooter investigated the case for the Department of Health and Social Security. And his report, “one of the most damning documents ever produced by an official inquiry in Britain,” was leaked to the press. It found that Bedson's Smallpox lab did not meet basic Dangerous Pathogens Advisory Group (DPAG) guidelines. For example, it lacked an airlock, a shower, the necessary double-door sterilizing autoclave, and proper changing facilities—the WHO had ordered the lab's closure by year-end in 1978.

ut this did not come in time for Janet Parker, who contracted the deadly virus just four months before it was scheduled to close.

 

Nigel Hawkes, a journalist, felt she contracted it "from a laboratory situated on the floor below her darkroom in the university medical school."

Hawkes described it this way in his 1979 article "Smallpox Death in Britain Challenges Presumption of Laboratory Safety,"

"It shows that Mrs. Parker probably came into contact with the smallpox virus while making telephone calls from a disused office next to her darkroom. This office was linked to Bedson's animal pox room below a service duct, with access to the duct on each floor provided by inspection panels.

On both floors, the panels were loose, and tests showed that a virus released in the animal pox room could find its way above... Shooter's thesis is therefore that the virus escaped from the smallpox room and from there through the service duct into the office above."

As further evidence, the strain of smallpox contained in Bedson's laboratory was known as the "Abid" variant. That is the same version subsequently identified in the fluid from Parker's body. Many felt this evidence was equivalent to a fingerprint and accused the University and Bedson of negligence in Parker's death.

However, Birmingham University fought back, attacking the leaked Shooter report as prejudicial, and they appealed to the High Court. They were represented by Brian Escott-Cox QC, a legendary Barrister and England's version of America's Racehorse Haynes.  In October 1979, a three Magistrate panel ruled in favor of the University and dismissed the safety violation charges. Over the past 40 years, Barrister Escott-Cox maintained his silence, but recently he spoke about the case.

 

In 2020, at age 88, Escott-Cox, announced his theory of what happened,

“It was clear to me before the case even started that we were going to be able to prove absolutely beyond any question of doubt whatsoever, that airborne infection of smallpox cannot take place other than between two people who are face to face, less than ten inches apart.”

He continued, 

“Unhappily, inevitably, once you have proven beyond any question of doubt that the smallpox could not have escaped from the laboratory and gone to Janet Parker, the overwhelming inference is that Janet Parker must, in some way or other, have come to the smallpox."

However, what is more troubling than the University's dismissal, is the Shooter report's contention this had happened before with this same lab and same disease. In 1966 another smallpox outbreak occurred in Birmingham that affected 73 people, killing one, another photographer performing exactly the same job as Parker. Because smallpox was still relatively common in the 1960's, it did not draw the same scrutiny and was never linked to the University. Hawkes wrote,

"There now seems little doubt. It was the source."

A man of the highest standards, both scientifically and ethically, Bedson was a quiet man who loved trout fishing and cricket. However, after realizing the only logical explanation for Janet's disease was an escaped virus from his lab, he became despondent and took his own life. Professor Bedson and Janet died on the same day, September 11, 1978.

 

Today, the world finds itself in the throes of another pandemic and, unfortunately, based upon the evidence, another lab-leaked virus. However, unlike the smallpox vaccine, the COVID-19 shots are proving to be far from perfectly protective. 
read on........

  

 

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 You glow, do you ...? 

 

 

My next Halloween, I'll be Vaccinated-Glowing-Manikin ... with vax cert. printed on me back ... broken heart

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Anyone hoping borders were going to start re-opening soon should probably be prepared to be disappointed.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/26/belgium-confirms-case-of-new-heavily-mutated-covid-variant.html

 

It's early days and not much is known about it yet but it seems this new variant has the potential to be a lot worse than Delta.

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what a coincidence no

V for Vendetta anyone ?

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Not sure what your point is.

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What is it you're saying, there's no covid?

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always ask and keep asking:
"Who profits?"
Fear is a great controlling mechanism that reduces the ability to think critically (and ask uncomfoirtable questions).


 

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From what I've read lots of people are making money from it. That's human nature, people will always find a way to make money from pretty much any situation.

 

"Fear is a great controlling mechanism" ....  that sounds like you have a theory, what is it you're scared of? If you think there's some evil entity inventing the pandemic or something just say it, as far as I know nobody here is a mind reader.

 

 

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yes - lots of people have made a lot of money in the last 2 years, and also hundreds of thousands more have lost jobs and poverty has increased globally.
I'm sorry i did not have the foresight to invest in pharmacuticals back in 2019 !

The huge wealth transfer from ordianry working people to multi-nationals is clearly by accident.
Let's all enjoy "you will own nothing and be happy"
I am looking forward to a time when we all enjoy the Chinese social credit system in our countries.

Asking questions only seems to make people angry, upset or defensive, and evidence does not matter any more.
It is easier to label someone than listen and challenge any narrative that is never questioned.




 

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Yes, hundreds of thousands of people have had their lives ruined by covid. That sucks but what do you suggest we do differently? Ignore it and hope it doesn't spread through the population and overwhelm the health systems? If you think life is unpleasant now wait until people around you are suffocating and there's no help for them, or you have a heart attack or accident and there are no ambulances or hospital beds available because of all the covid cases. Aside from being a hellish situation it's also terrible for business and the economy.

 

You still haven't said what your actual point is,what you think is happening here other than that people's lives are being ruined but you seem to be insinuating some sort of plot or scheme . Do you actually think governments around the world are wrecking their economies, causing populations to rebel against them and instabilty in their countries because it works in their favour? They're doing it because - as bad as it is - the other option is worse.

 

 

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Omicron Is "Extremely Mild" Says Doctor Who First Discovered Strain; Numerous Mutations "Destabilize" The Virus

 
 

"What we are seeing clinically in South Africa and remember, I’m at the epicenter, that’s where I’m practicing, is extremely mild"

 

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@icnif... here's hoping they're right, it would be great to see a watered down pansy strain replace delta as the dominant variant.

 

I'm too lazy to google it now but there was a thing a few days ago about the virus basically mutating itself to death in Japan, or something along those lines.

 

 

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GOOG sucks!

However, I can set you up  with DDG sub. with discount, if you want. No tracing and all ... 

 

I am sick of Cofid. Not 'from ..' , of ...

 

One report from SA where Omicron was detected first states, Omicron is mild and virus weakens per several mutations and another one from Holland states, Dutch army had stopped the private plane from take-off 'cause 2 passengers infected with Omicron should be in quarantine./p>

Both news in the same day ...

 

https://www.rt.com/news/541586-netherlands-couple-flee-quarantine/

 

Cofid mutations ...

https://www.dw.com/en/will-mutations-soon-make-covid-19-less-harmful/a-53839943

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/covid-variant/faq-20505779

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It's a lot like any other force of nature, basically a wait and see game.

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"The unvaccinated" have become public enemy number one in record time.

They can be stigmatized, marginalized, and penalized at will.

People have been led to believe that they are in danger from the wicked unvaccinated.

Günter Kampf of the Institute of Hygiene and Environmental Medicine at the Greifswald University Hospital in Germany just fired back against this in the 200-year-old Lancet, one of the world's most prominent medical journals.

He writes:

In the USA and Germany, high-level officials have used the term pandemic of the unvaccinated, suggesting that people who have been vaccinated are not relevant in the epidemiology of COVID-19. Officials’ use of this phrase might have encouraged one scientist to claim that "the unvaccinated threaten the vaccinated for COVID-19."

But this view is far too simple.

There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated.

In the USA, a total of 10,262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalized, and 160 (1·6%) died.

In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals,
and this proportion is increasing each week. In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub.

People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatizing parts of the population for their skin color or religion. I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatization of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.

In a separate submission, he wrote this:

"High COVID-19 vaccination rates were expected to reduce transmission of SARS-CoV-2 in populations by reducing the number of possible sources for transmission and thereby to reduce the burden of COVID-19 disease. Recent data, however, indicate that the epidemiological relevance of COVID-19 vaccinated individuals is increasing. In the UK it was described that secondary attack rates among household contacts exposed to fully vaccinated index cases was similar to household contacts exposed to unvaccinated index cases (25% for vaccinated vs 23% for unvaccinated). 12 of 31 infections in fully vaccinated household contacts (39%) arose from fully vaccinated epidemiologically linked index cases. Peak viral load did not differ by vaccination status or variant type. In Germany, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 cases among the fully vaccinated (“breakthrough infections”) is reported weekly since 21. July 2021 and was 16.9% at that time among patients of 60 years and older.

"This proportion is increasing week by week and was 58.9% on 27 October 2021, providing clear evidence of the increasing relevance of the fully vaccinated as a possible source of transmission. A similar situation was described for the UK. Between week 39 and 42, a total of 100.160 COVID-19 cases were reported among citizens of 60 years or older. 89.821 occurred among the fully vaccinated (89.7%), 3.395 among the unvaccinated. One week before, the COVID-19 case rate per 100.000 was higher among the subgroup of the vaccinated compared to the subgroup of the unvaccinated in all age groups of 30 years or more. In Israel a nosocomial outbreak was reported involving 16 healthcare workers, 23 exposed patients and two family members. The source was a fully vaccinated COVID-19 patient. The vaccination rate was 96.2% among all exposed individuals (151 healthcare workers and 97 patients). Fourteen fully vaccinated patients became severely ill or died, the two unvaccinated patients developed mild disease. The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies four of the top five counties with the highest percentage of fully vaccinated population (99.9–84.3%) as “high” transmission counties.

"Many decisionmakers assume that the vaccinated can be excluded as a source of transmission. It appears to be grossly negligent to ignore the vaccinated population as a possible and relevant source of transmission when deciding about public health control measures."

The truth is out there. Governments don't care, of course, but the public might.

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Public might ...

 

https://www.rt.com/news/541490-australia-massive-protests-mandates/

 

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Covid killed 4.5 million people in almost two years. That's 0.005% of the population. Over 70% of those were the elderly, obese, immune deficient, and quite frankly anyone who died within 28 days of testing positive, regardless of non related fatal illness.

Hunger killed 9 million people in 2020.

People don't care about that because it doesn't let them wear a mask so that they can pretend they are in danger and also believe they are saving lives.

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And hardly anyone was thrown through the windscreen of their car either, why are we still enforcing seat belts? It's a scam I tells ya, a scam!!

 

And as for traffic lights... don't get me started on those fascist traffic lights!

 

You don't think that the reason there haven't been more deaths, and that most countries still have a mostly functioning health system (albeit under immense strain in a lot of cases) is because the world has been doing its best to prevent covid getting out of control and killing millions more?

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OT: surprise

Did you know, scientists always when they invent new poison in a lab  or-rrr ... virus, they must also have an antidote handy ...? 

 

 

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"Covid 19"
A pandemic so deadly that it killed science, Liberty, human rights, due process, logic, evidence-based medicine, and common sense.

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Real purpose of all this pandemic is elsewhere ....  tin-foils and all.

 

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All this time, I thought "octavo-cock" was the only nutjob on this site. I stand corrected. The "nutty cocktavo" isn't just a cookie.

Blondie_:

great to see you back and still with the personal insults !!

come on octavo, you can do so much better with the personal attacks - you are letting the side down if this is all you have.


I am honestly asking you if you are willing to answer:
What is the ethical, scientific and logical justification to force the entire world to recieve a product made by habitually criminal companies who are not liable for injury or death, when the product does not even stop transmission?

are you able to come up with a civil and logical answer?
 

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Stiggs:

And yet, despite around 7.8 billion vaccine doses being administered around the world as opposed to something like 270 million known covid cases, hospitals and morgues around the world are having trouble coping with, and in some cases being overwhelmed by, unvaccinated covid cases. Not people there because of adverse vaccine side effects.

 

Ya gotta ask yourself...what poses more risk to the population. The virus or the vaccine?

 

HINT: 7.8 billion - really really big number

           270 million - pretty big but still much much smaller

 

 

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https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/another-study-finds-natural-immunity-protects-better-against-infection-pfizer-vaccine

 

Another Study Finds That Natural Immunity Protects Better Against Infection Than Pfizer Vaccine

 

“...a bit of a bombshell”...

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"suggesting that people who’d already been infected had better immunity against the then-novel Delta variant."

 

The problem with that is that a major reason people take the vaccine is because they DON'T want to get really sick and deal with everything that comes from that.

 

If your plan to avoid catching a mean dose of covid is to catch covid and hope you don't get really sick so that next time you catch it you'll have some natural immunity...  you really haven't thought much about it.  You might be the type of person who goes out trying to contract herpes because you can only catch it once and after that you'll never get it again.

 

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Where do you get these memes?

You use the same memes as I see it at Discord ...

There you can find meme out of brazillion displayed and click enter.

Here I don't even know how to post meme. Most likely just by c&p, but I am too lazy to look for through the web. At Discord, you write a message and then just choose the meme same as smileys here and click enter ..

Here, even smileys aren't displayed for some reason. It might be my Internet, but everywhere else with display works normal.

I don't even use a Vnp, but display here looks very shady, minimal.

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Luckily for me you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes. Just google the keyword you'd like followed by meme or gif and copy / paste it.

 

In this case google elementary gif... copy...paste....

 

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I was watching Cumber-dih last night at 'Black Mass'. He's the brother of Whitey Bulger, notorious gangsta' from Southy, i.e. S. Boston.

What's a key word ... and google??, i.e. you must know you want to post Mr. Bean, before you see the gif.

It would (it is elsewhere ..) much easier to open gif's. library and choose the right gif.

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Copy&pasta doesn't work at mine ...

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If you have something specific you're looking for it's usually easily found...

 

eg this

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My goat is the tonguest ... he he.

I've got hate at financial/trading Discord Board, when I post my goat.

I am thinking, most posters there were goat coaches before they changed to trading, he he.

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Well, the internet is full of Karens. You have to careful of anything with saucy language - someone is bound to get offended and demand to see the manager. Pulp Fiction quotes are usually stepping on dangerous territory.

 

if you really want to yank their chain and tell them where to go though, C & P this gif...

 

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This whole thread should be harmonized 'cause of the OP's profinity ...surprise

 

 

Somebody call User-Mod-Deleter , please ...

 

  Ban the handle too, while you're at it ...

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@Comments c&p doesn't work. I need more raincoats anyway ...

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