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Sign up with Google Sign up with FacebookQ: Does man made global warming exist?
What do you think?
Is it real or is it made up?
I don't think there's any doubt that climate change is happening, who knows how much human activity has affected it.
I believe the people who say it's a natural cycle that we are speeding up.
But, whether we are affecting the global temperature or not, we're definitely wreaking havok on the environment and basically trashing the place.
philbravery:
don't forget that the poles are constantly changing. the south pole used to be a forest and tropical. so maybe there is more to the argument than what humanity has done to the planet
Stiggs:
Phil. Oh for sure. I mean, we're still coming out of an ice age and it's not the first ice age if scientists are to be believed. I doubt that we had anything to do with the ice age ending.
I watched a documentary a while ago. Areas which are deserts now used to be lush forest, and vice versa.. changing weather patterns mean changing rainfall patterns.. things like ocean currents have a huge effect on the weather patterns and people are only just starting to understand how the ocean currents work. The environment is a complicated system.
I am not sure, buTT ... I am very warm .
ScotsAlan:
Your UN hunters are getting closer Icniff :-) But seriously, do you believe in it or not?
icnif77:
'Iskander' nuclear capable missiles arrived in Kaliningrad, near the Polish border....
It looks, it will be even warmer....
'Blowin' In The Wind' by Joan Baez live ...
I don't think there's any doubt that climate change is happening, who knows how much human activity has affected it.
I believe the people who say it's a natural cycle that we are speeding up.
But, whether we are affecting the global temperature or not, we're definitely wreaking havok on the environment and basically trashing the place.
philbravery:
don't forget that the poles are constantly changing. the south pole used to be a forest and tropical. so maybe there is more to the argument than what humanity has done to the planet
Stiggs:
Phil. Oh for sure. I mean, we're still coming out of an ice age and it's not the first ice age if scientists are to be believed. I doubt that we had anything to do with the ice age ending.
I watched a documentary a while ago. Areas which are deserts now used to be lush forest, and vice versa.. changing weather patterns mean changing rainfall patterns.. things like ocean currents have a huge effect on the weather patterns and people are only just starting to understand how the ocean currents work. The environment is a complicated system.
Have you seen how many single use disposable plastic bags the locals use every day? Think that 5 billion plastics from less than 1/12th of the earths longitude each and every day has no effect? Come on what kind of question is this?
ScotsAlan:
China banned the free issue of plastic bags a few years ago. But as always,the law is mostly ignored.
It may have natural causes like the sun and earth cycle, and more and more carbon dioxide emission by human accelerates it.
It's pretty damn obvious the answer is 'yes'. The (fairly irrelevant) question may be - how much of the Global Warming effect was caused by mankind.
Either way, as LastTargarean said, we'd dumping plastic everywhere... amongst other pollutants. Whether we're causing the GW effect or not, I think we have a HUGE responsibility to stop polluting anyway! We certainly need cleaner air!
Yes!
We can't definitively prove that we are the cause rather than natural cycles, but we can definitively prove:
1. Greenhouse gasses (carbon dioxide, methane etc...) in the atmosphere do cause the world to heat up.
2. We are responsible for putting greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. Yes there should be some naturally occurring greenhouse gasses up there, but by burning fossil fuels amongst other things we are effectively taking them out of the ground and putting them into the atmosphere where they do not belong.
Confronted with these 2 facts it really does take the most stubborn type to continue to deny it.
The greatest trick the right wing media managed to pull was sowing the seeds of doubt and making it seem like this is even a debate. According to scientists the case is closed on this, it's just a few powerfully people with a lot to loose who like to keep the debate trundling along.
Please watch "An inconvenient Truth", a 2006 documentary / slide show by Al Gore on his campaign to educate people about Global Warming.
It is the most powerful and clear explanation and documentation of global warming.
earthizen:
Gore won the popular vote (i.e. vote from the mass) in the then election. Under normal circumstances (as in the past) he would have become the president of USA. He did not, because in the second, and decisive round (in December), votes from the electoral college which was comprised of about 500+ members, he lost.
WHO are the ones inside that electoral college? Democrats and Republicans each have their seats in there, totaling about 100+. So, WHO are the remaining ones in this extremely small group? Joe the plummer? Yeah, right.
Why did he end up losing the election? What was Gore's primary concern? Environmental issues. Say again, who are the remaining ones in that 500+ small electoral college group? Some very, very oily groups.....
Earth still had a chance IF drastic measures were taken to protect the environment in Gore's times, had.....
LastTargarean:
See how the data is tied to.the rise of plastic? Pretty damn obvious. Doesnt matter though, I'm fireproof
earthizen:
The key turning point is 1950s (see graph). Not just plastic, burning of fossil fuel creating co2 is the last nail into the coffin. Forests (i.e. trees), one of the key carbon sinks where c02 is absorbed and processed to become oxygen again, are taxed beyond their capabilities, contributing to the net increase in global temperature.
Fireproof.... Do you need to drink water or water based beverages, and eat, though? Where do all the major rivers on Earth originate? Look at the shrinking glaciers, what plants and animals don't need water to grow? Connecting the dots?
earthizen:
Thanks. As a collective, the rise of sea level isn't mankind's bye-bye cause. It is the vanishing of glaciers that I would put my bets on. When? Take a look yourself, the year is given here -- https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/education/glaciers.htm Guess which river originates from Montana's glaciers? The glaciers in Montana aren't the only ones that are melting.....
retiredinchina:
Where is the big blue Antarctica, oh, we don't talk about that.
I asked the question last night, because I was hoping it would appear on the US presidential debate. In the end, a related question was asked second from last, and Trump said he would dig more coal, and make it clean. Hilary did say "climate change", but her reply was rather nondescript in my mind.
There has been record temperatures all over this year, and a recent report has said we have passed the tipping point of CO2 at 400ppm. I had a quick bing, but don't have a vpn on my phone to post recent links, but here is an old article from NASA.
http://climate.nasa.gov/400ppmquotes/
This was published when we peaked at 400ppm. Seems we are now at constant 400ppm and climbing.
To be honest, I dont really care about what Trump said about women. That should have been discussed last in the debate.
The first question should have been the one I asked at the top of this thread.
earthizen:
Yup, 400 ppm is a key pointer. The last time Earth was this high in co2 content was, if I remember correctly, the time just preceding the ice age. Something happened at that point and then all hell broke loose. Hell, who knows, maybe there was another humanoid civilization that was just as nasty if not more than the present one, and they screwed the climate system up just like the present one. You know, Plato and a few scholars in his time did talk about a previous civilization that sounded like extremely high tech.
The debate. Maybe when the research teams on both sides starting digging for info on climate change they immediately found out the overwhelming scientific facts about global warming and human's role in this so they didn't even bother debating it. This is especially the case as it is irreversible now, unlike Gore's time.
https://realclimatescience.com/2017/02/nasa-noaa-climate-data-is-fake-data/
Those poor Africans don't have thermometers even after a half a trillion in aide money from the west for the last 30 years. Let's just make up numbers to keep getting our grant money that everything is getting hotter.
cub:
@retired be careful, u might get bashed here by tree huggers! u are not conforming to thier mantra 3....2....1.....
retiredinchina:
Come on man, wipe that egg off your face,tomorrow is another day, if we can't screw people on global warming, we will find another way to screw the serfs. patience we have the power and the working class are our slaves to brainwash anyway we want. This is a scandal that should cause some firing squads, never mine prison.
ambivalentmace:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-china-coal/china-cranks-up-carbon-intensive-projects-as-climate-crisis-grows-research-shows-idUSKBN2FE0IS I guess they need more acid rain for the crops.
Stiggs:
I was reading about this the other day....
With the greenhouse gases there's a lag time of something like ten years, so even if all the major polluters shut down operations overnight we'd still have the last decade of massive emissions up there doing their thing for years to come.
In the meantime, because the temperatures are rising the permafrost in places like Siberia is melting and releasing huge amounts of methane which exacerbates the greenhouse effect.
I'd say we'd better start bracing for more thousand year floods, heat domes, droughts, fires etc but luckily, with the covid variants spreading the way they are we might not need to.