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Q: Anyone hear about the missing plane to Beijing?
Not a great start to the month in current affairs, last weekend the tragic event which took place in Kunming’s train station and now breaking news that a flight from Kuala Lumpur going to Beijing has vanished without a trace with 239 people on board, the outcome doesn’t look great but still fingers crossed for some kind of miracle.
The latest is that the oil slicks were not from the plane. Neither was the object found to be the door. Which brings it to square one - the plane is still missing. One new discovery is that they have identified one of the passenger with the fake passports and he is not Malaysian. Also, one of the relatives of the passengers called his mobile and it actually rang but no one picked up. All this is very strange. Conspiracy theories are now spreading like wildfire. How is it possible for an airplane to just disappear? Hijackers disconnected the transponders? Possible but by now the plane would have ran out out fuel and landed somewhere.
louischuahm:
Yup, they are analyzing it now to see if it's from the plane. I just hope that it's not a crash. Even if it's hijacked, there's hope that all passengers will survive.
louischuahm:
The two passengers are not Asian, they are black. Malaysian authorities said they look like Balotelli????
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10688861/Myste...
Mystery fake-passport holders on flight MH370 were Iranian
A BBC Persian report says that the two Iranians on the Malaysia Airlines plane had bought the fake passports in order to migrate to Germany and Denmark
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/10/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idU...
Malaysia air probe finds scant evidence of attack: sources
icnif77:
Telegraph front page today:
Lockerbie bombing 'was the work of Iran, not Libya'
Iranian defector Abolghassem Mesbahi says Pan Am 103 attack was revenge for US Navy strike on Iranian passenger jet
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10688067/Lockerbie-bombing-was-work-of-Iran-not-Libya-says-former-spy.html
Ya, the guys might be Iranian but it seems they had no involvement in the accident. When they booked the tickets they didn't even know that the flight to Europe was via Beijing.
icnif77:
After I saw article in Telegraph, I'm thinking 'bad Iran's rap' is 'tool in negotiating'. Brits replaced US, on talk with Ayatolah(s).
Scandinavian:
you don't think terrorists are capable of pretending not to know a flight is a certain path ?
why where they not going to the same place in Europe if they travel together ? To lower chances of both getting caught ?
The tragedy, mysteriously turned mysterious. Does it make any sense?
According to Swedish police, one of the men with fake passports was flying to Copenhagen only to cross the water to Sweden to seek asylum. The source is a relative living in Sweden.
Also, at the latest press conference in Malaysia, they tell the 5 passengers that didn't board is just a rumor, all passengers were on board.
Who says the plane could only be brought down from the inside ? Is it posably that it was mistaken for another kind of plane that should not have been over a disputed area?
Scandinavian:
it's usually only the US that shoots down random airliners isn't it ?
Englteachted:
Scan: When has the US ever shot down a commercial plane? To my knowledge only Russia has done this.
philbravery:
Scan is right , the USA shot down a Iraqi airliner during the Iran Iraqi war , and there is a theory about another incident in the 1990s but this has never been anything more and the Russians shot down a airliner over the sea north of Japan in the 1980s
One of the Iranian men using a fake passport was a 19-year-old kid whose mom says she was going to meet him at Frankfurt airport, because he was moving there, illegally. But he had nothing to do with the crash.
for this day and age for a plane to go down like they said 1 of 4 things happened.
1. mechanical/ electrical issues.
2. air pocket , weather
3. terrorism
4. war
take a number and tell me your thoughts.
louischuahm:
1. The plane was serviced 10 days ago so it's unlikely that any mechanical fault would bring the plane down. In any case, the pilots would have noticed this and radio this out.
2. Air pockets do not bring planes down. I was en route to Paris from Singapore when we hit an air pocket. The only damage was a very messy in flight service because it was meal time and adrenaline rush from the experience. The weather was fine so this can't be the cause.
3. Terrorism, well this could be likely. The plane could've been hijacked and the transponders disengaged leaving no trace of the plane or where it landed. I hope to God this is the worst case scenario, at least passengers are alive. The other case is suicide bombing 35,000 feet in the air. In this case, the plane would have disintegrated and debris strewn over a wide area. To date, not a single bit of the plane's wreckage was found. This is baffling because not all the plane's equipment are metal or heavy objects. Furthermore, passengers' luggage can float. Parts of the plane are made of styrofoam and they also float. But nothing? Strange isn't it?
4. War? There's nothing to suggest that there is any war happening in the vicinity so this is totally out of the question.
That leaves us with point 3 which is terrorism. Problem is no organization has owned up or made demands. So what is it that made the flight vanish into thin air ? Alien abduction?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idU...
Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source
Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.
In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.
Is this even real? An insurance scam? The Malaysian police chief has refused to rule out the possibility of the missing Malaysian flight being an elaborate insurance scam. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-insurance-scam-3230128#ixzz2vfRp7rXcFollow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
'different dimensions'Scandinavian:
Let's say you are somehow royally screwed, but have a great insurance policy. You can take care of your loved ones by dying. However most life insurance has a "no suicide clause" so you need an elaborate way of ending yourself.
louischuahm:
Scan@ yeah, like going out with a Big Bang huh? And bringing along 238 others to keep you company on the way.....
''UFO' image was taken'', Malaysians report on the teli at 6pm today. However, they cannot confirm, that was image of the missing plane.
Fox Mulder, here we go......
: 'smiley to everybody'! I will look for 'Up-yours' report on different race (Iranian News Agency, if I remember correct….on tread 'Is he for real or he's fake') present on Earth!
icnif77:
My post is not joke! I'm serious, and I worry about outcome of missing plane!
To suddenly lose radar contact with no radio contact from pilots indicating a problem means the plane exploded. Thus I deduce a bomb was detonated. Why and how is anyone's guess.
ironman510:
Agreed.. My uncle thinks there's a small chance that the plane was hijacked and taken to a secret location. Haha, sorry he's watched to many movies, last was the Dark Knight Rises. Yes he was comparing it to the air plane part
ironman510:
Speaking of exploded:
FDNY responding to reports of building collapse, explosion in NYC,3/12/2014
icnif77:
CBS local is reporting about explosion and building collapse in Harlem. I can't post more, 'cause my 'snail broadBIGband'. That's title I got: Buildings Collapse After Explosion, Fire In East Harlem March 12, 2014 10:40 AM
Chinese satellite detects 'suspected crash site'
- Three floating objects sighted, a Chinese agency says
- The images captured March 9, day after plane vanished
- Malaysian aviation official says he hasn't seen the images
icnif77:
'shen me'. I read title on the tell for my 'No surrender!' = Good morning! Teli says : 3 imagies of 'unidentified floating objects'. I must add: 'I'm serious!' All Native English teachers, please look at the variables on 'UFO' ---->meiyou 'flying', 'floating'. It could also be 'fishing' for example…….
ironman510:
IF the China is wrong, ouch, that'll look really embarrassing.
As I was thinking, this should have been done from the very first day of the mysterious vanishing of the flight. They should have used the satellite. A lot of headaches, money, manpower would have been saved but most of all it would have helped the families to have some serious and respectful answers.
Now they use the satellite and here is the repport from BBC.
It's a long text to read, but I copy and past it in case you're interested to read the details.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/mh370-satellite-images-show...
MH370: Missing plane could have kept flying four hours after disappearing, U.S. investigators say – liveLIVE
- WSJ: Engine data shows plane could have kept flying for four hours after disappearing
- Vietnam and Malaysia find nothing in area where Chinese satellite images showed debris
- Oil rig worker reported seeing plane go down in region
- Over 92,600 sq km searched, 39 aircraft, 42 ships involved
Email- theguardian.com, Thursday 13 March 2014 06.10 GMT
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China says its satellite pictures may show wreckage of missing Malaysia airlines flight. Screengrab: BBC News
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Lots of great detail in the WSJ report that missing flight MH370 could have remained in the air for some four hours after it disappeared from civilian radar screens, including this, from an unnamed source:
...officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted “with the intention of using it later for another purpose.”
When exactly MH370 disappeared from Malaysian radar screens has become the source of much confusion today. The Guardian’s China correspondent, Tania Branigan, gives us this overview.
Details of when MH370 was last seen are highly confusing, so bear with me:
When the flight first went missing, Malaysia Airlines said repeatedly that its last contact was at 2.40am, two hours into the flight. Many people assumed this was a mistake because the last flight data available on line stopped abruptly at 1.20am, when the plane was over the South China Sea, to the east of the Malay peninsula, heading north-east towards Vietnam - and the airline subsequently revised its position, saying it was last seen at 1.30am.
This remains the last definite sighting because this was when the plane’s transponders last communicated with civil radar systems. It is assumed that they were then switched off or failed for some reason (experts say failure is rare but possible).
All of this made it very unclear why search teams were looking to the west of the peninsula, in the Strait of Malacca, as well as to the east, where the plane was last see - even given the suggestion by officials that the plane might have tried to turn back.
But on Tuesday, Malaysian media reported that the air force chief had said the plane was spotted by military radar at 2.40am close to a tiny island in the Strait of Malacca - to the west of the peninsula - and Malaysia Airlines suggested the flight might have been trying to head back to Kuala Lumpur, the airport from which it took off. The fact the timing coincided with the airline’s initial statements made people question how long the military had known of a possible sighting.
On Wednesday the air force chief then denied making the remark - though he did not say whether or not there had been a sighting at 2.40am - and posited a third possible last sighting, by military radar, at 2.15am, 200 miles northwest of Penang - in other words, far north of any previous sightings, off the coast of Thailand.
Adding to confusion even further, on Thursday a Malaysian envoy to Beijing told families the last sighting was at 2.40am in the Malacca Strait - as previously suggested.
This appears to be the key issue: the 2.15am and 2.40am sightings are on military radar, which detects and can approximately identify civilian aircraft, but does not communicate with them as civil radar would do. So on its own, this data says that a plane like the one that has gone missing was detected - but cannot establish for certain that the plane was MH370. It needs to be cross-checked with other information - such as what other flights would have been in the area, and whether there are any other readings of the craft between the military radar plot and its last definite location (over the South China Sea). The civil aviation chief has also noted that the plane might have been able to fly below the radar.
Unfortunately, the Malaysian authorities have offered no details or clarification at this stage so it is unclear how far they have got in confirming or dismissing the various sightings.
Updated
4m ago
In a sign of how deep the distrust of waiting families has become, China’s state broadcaster CCTV News said on Twitter that relatives asked Malaysian diplomats in Beijing whether the military had shot down the plane - a suggestion the Malaysians swiftly denied. CCTV also said that relatives refused to let the embassy representatives leave the meeting.
There’s been consternation these past few days that in 2014 authorities can still lose a 65-metre long aircraft. How hard is it to find a plane in this part of South China Sea? Really, really hard, as this Washington Post interactive shows.
CNN is now confirming earlier reports that Vietnamese authorities have flown over the area where Chinese satellite images showed mysterious debris, and found nothing.
Doan Luu Van, International Affairs Coordinator with the Civil Aviation Administration of Vietnam, said the committee would send another plane to the area “early this afternoon”.
Updated
48m ago
Missing flight could have flown as far as Australia
In case you missed it, the Wall Street Journal is quoting U.S. investigators who suspect missing flight MH370 may have flown for an additional four hours after it went missing from civilian radar screens earlier on Saturday morning Malaysia time.
On Twitter, Ian Petchenik has illustrated just how far the plane could have gone in that time — potentially all the way to Australia. We should note, this map doesn’t take into account earlier reports that the plane veered to the west after it went missing. But it serves to show that the plane could have covered lots of ground if U.S. investigators’ suspicions are correct.
Does this look like four hours’ flight time to you? Anybody with some more expertise should weigh in, in our comments below.
The AP has tweeted that Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman says no plane debris has been found at the spot identified in Chinese satellite images. Earlier tweets were quoting Vietnamese authorities saying they too had searched the area in the photographs to no avail.
Updated
1h 22m ago
Good afternoon. The Wall Street Journal is reporting new information on missing flight MH370, which U.S. investigators now suspect flew on long after it disappeared from civilian radar screens.
U.S. investigators suspect that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 stayed in the air for about four hours past the time it reached its last confirmed location, according to two people familiar with the details, raising the possibility that the plane could have flown on for hundreds of additional miles under conditions that remain murky.
Summary
Below are the updates from the last few hours. Read an earlier summary of events here.
I’ll be handing the blog over to my colleague Michael Safi now.
Images released yesterday by the Chinese science and defence agency show three large pieces of debris. Chinese authorities have stressed they can’t confirm any connection between the objects in the photos and the missing plane. The photos have caused concern among Malaysian authorities who don’t appear to have been given the photos.
Vietnamese and Malaysian authorities are on their way to the site to see what they can find. A spokesman for the US seventh fleet earlier told media it would not be changing their search areas in response to the images. The coordinates supplied by the Chinese agency are in the same region, but still several hundred kilometres away from the approximate coordinates given by a New Zealand oil rig worker who believes he may have see the plan crash into the sea.
The Chinese premier, who happened to be giving his annual press conference today, has said that the government will not stop searching for the plane “as long as there is a glimmer of hope.” More than 150 of the missing passengers are Chinese.
Malaysia Airlines has defended the pilot against any suggestion he was involved in the disappearance in any way, and as “a mark of respect” has retired the flight codes MH370 and MH371.
The Malaysian authorities leading the investigation into the missing plane have added to the confusion about its last known whereabouts. At a hostile press conference military officials said the last possible recording of flight MH370 was at 2.15am on Saturday morning 200 miles north west of Penang. The authorities had initially said air traffic control lost contact at 1.20am on the east side of the peninsula. On Tuesday the head of the armed forces was reported as saying it was picked up by military radar at 2.40am - a statement he has since denied making.
Even slightly suspicious incidents are adding to the huge uncertainty around the case of this missing plane.
Photos circulating of the two Iranian passengers who were traveling on stolen passports appear to have been doctored, giving the two men the same identical pair of legs.
Malaysia police told AFP “it was not done with malice or to mislead,” and one photo was simply placed over the other when they were photocopied.
Read more, and see the picture at the Washington Post.
As a “mark of respect” to the missing passengers and crew Malaysia Airlines is retiring the flight codes MH370 and MH371 for the Kuala Lumpur- Beijing and return route.
“Our thoughts and prayers remain with the families of our colleagues and passengers of MH 370,” said the airline in a statement.
“As long is there is a glimmer of hope”
Coincidentally, the Chinese premier, Li Keqiang, is holding his annual press conference today. This dispatch is from the Guardian’s China correspondent Tania Anin Branigan:
When asked about MH370, Li said the families of the more than 150 Chinese passengers were “burning with anxiety” for news, and added that the Chinese government had asked authorities to coordinate activities and establish the cause of the disappearance.
“As long is there is a glimmer of hope we will not stop searching,” he said, adding that China was looking closely at satellite images.
Li also flagged up the broader issue China’s leaders face as it plays a greater role in the world and international ties increase.
“A growing number of Chinese people will make overseas trips. That will place greater responsibility on the shoulders of the Chinese government. We will fully perform our duties and enhance cooperation with other countries and regions to ensure the safety of Chinese nationals.”
Updated
2h 35m ago
The commercial director of Malaysia Airlines, Hugh Dunleavy, has defended the pilot of MH370, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, amid theories of crew involvement in the disappearance.
The captain is a very seasoned pilot at Malaysia Airlines who has had a track record of excellent service. There have been absolutely no indications as far as we are aware that there was anything untoward in either his behaviour or attitude.
...
We have no reason to believe that there were any actions internally by the crew that caused the disappearance of this aircraft.
The commercial director of Malaysia Airlines, Hugh Dunleavy, says the company has no reason to believe the crew took any action that caused the disappearance of flight MH 370. He also said the flight’s captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, had displayed no signs of untoward attitude or behaviour.
State media in Malaysia has also criticised Australian news coverage of co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, labelling an interview conducted by Channel Nine with two women who alleged untoward behaviour by the pilot when he let them in the cockpit as “gutter journalism”.
Correction: This post previously stated the Australian news coverage was about the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah. It has been amended to correctly reflect the interview was about co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.
Updated
3h 26m ago
Vietnamese authorities say they already searched the area where the Chinese satellites photographed possible debris, but will check again to make sure.
One military official has told Reuters a plane has been sent to the region already.
“We are aware and we sent planes to cover that area over the past three days,” deputy transport minister Pham Quy Tieu told Reuters.
“Today a (military) plane will search the area again.”
However another military official said they are waiting to view the photographs to identity the exact area themselves.
China is also distancing itself from the strength of the images as evidence of the plane. Li Jiaxiang, chief of the Civil Aviation Administration of China told media a short time ago they can not confirm the debris photographed has anything to do with flight MH370.
One of the most defining aspects of this mystery is the level of conflicting information. In the last day alone the focus has shifted back to the South China Sea after Malaysian authorities hosed down reports the plane was believed to have turned back and may have flown over the Malacca Strait.
The above image shows the approximate coordinates given by a New Zealand oil rig worker who believes he may have seen flight MH370 crash.
The lower image plots the coordinates given by Chinese authorities of the large pieces of debris spotted by satellite on Sunday March 9.
The above image shows the approximate coordinates given by a New Zealand oil rig worker who believes he may have seen flight MH370 crash. The lower image plots the coordinates given by Chinese authorities of the large pieces of debris spotted by satellite on Sunday March 9. Photograph: /Map data : AutoNavi, Google, Kingway, MapIT, ZENRIN
Updated
4h 49m ago
The Malaysian air force is on the way to the site of the debris spotted by Chinese satellites, reports CNN.
A spokesman for the US seventh fleet has told CNBC news it is not changing their search area after the release of the satellite images.
The satellite images could provide searchers with a focus that has eluded them since the plane disappeared with 239 people aboard in the early hours of Saturday, write the Guardian’s Tania Branigan in Beijing and Kate Hodal in Songkhla.
However this is not the first time authorities have announced sightings of objects or oil slicks that they claim might be tied to the missing aircraft.
No other governments have confirmed the latest report, and one senior US defense official said that American satellites had not located any sign of a crash.
You can read their full report here.
The New Zealand oil rig worker, Michael McKay, who has said he believes he saw the plane go down in the South China Sea contacted Malaysian and Vietnamese authorities, but he doesn’t know if they received his message.
An image of the letter is in the tweet below. In it he notes that the plane he saw was burning in one piece for about 10-15 seconds before the flames went out while it was still at high altitude.
“The general position of the observation was perpendicular/southwest of the normal flight paths,” which McKay said he and his colleagues observe every day.
It must be noted while the letter has been confirmed as legitimate, the statements contained within it have not been confirmed.
Updated
4h 43m ago
The satellite images, captured around 11am on Sunday morning shows three floating pieces of debris. The pictures were posted by SASTIND on Wednesday, and picked up by world media just a few hours ago, but Malaysian authorities are reportedly not too happy they weren’t made aware of them. That’s several hours of search time lost, if the objects are still in the area four days after they were photographed.
Summary
Welcome the Guardian’s continuing coverage of the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. There have been dramatic developments as satellite images emerge showing would could be the crash site. Below is a summary of the latest news, and you can catch up on the last few hours of updates in more detail here. I will also repost some of the key recent events.
A Chinese government agency has published satellite pictures that show “three suspected floating objects” in the South China Sea. The images were published by the Chinese State Administration for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defence (SASTIND), and dated 11am on Sunday, March 9.
The images were published on Wednesday evening local time in Beijing, some 10 hours ago, but were not picked up by international media until the past few hours. China’s official news agency, Xinhua, says the objects measure 13m by 18m (43ft by 59ft), 14m by 19m and 24m by 22m. For context, the Boeing 777 is just under 64m long.
Publication of the images has raised the already-strained tensions between the Chinese and Malaysian authorities.Two thirds of the passengers on flight MH370 were from China, and the authorities in Beijing have made it clear that they have deep concerns about how the Malaysians have conducted the search. Malaysian civil aviation director general Abdul Rahman toldCNN his agency had not seen the images as of 6am local time Thursday.
The Malaysian authorities leading the investigation into the missing plane have added to the confusion about its last known whereabouts. At a hostile press conference military officials said the last possible recording of flight MH370 was at 2.15am on Saturday morning 200 miles north west of Penang. The authorities had initially said air traffic control lost contact at 1.20am on the east side of the peninsula. On Tuesday the head of the armed forces was reported as saying it was picked up by military radar at 2.40am - a statement he has since denied making.
The search area has been expanded still further to two areas either side of the Malaysia peninsula. The total search area now covers 27,000 square nautical miles and involves 42 ships and 39 aircraft. The investigators said they were still not sure whether the aircraft changed course and were “baffled” by why no distress signal was sent. Malaysia military chief said raw data of the radar recordings would be released to the public once it had been corroborated.
Malaysia Airlines insisted that the missing Boeing was airworthy before taking off, but declined to reveal whether it had been inspected for a known potential problem with the fuselage. In November the Federal Aviation Administration warned airlines to look out for corrosion under the skin of the Boeing 777’s fuselage related to a satellite antenna. Boeing said in a statement that the antenna covered by the safety bulletin was not installed on MH370
The last message from the cockpit of the missing Malaysia Airlines flight was routine. “All right, good night,” was the signoff transmitted to air traffic controllers five days ago. Then the Boeing 777 vanished.
Scandinavian:
well, you know why satellites are no good for China, just look at Google Maps, everything is off by about 150 meters.
Scandinavian:
the "flying for up to 4 hours after dropping off radar" is just based on fuel load right ? (normal trip from KL to BJ + some fuel to spare)
This image shows how far it could have gotten in 4 hours from last known position, this means it could be on the ground in China, covered by smog
Seems the "flying for 4 hours after radar loss" is based on data from Boeing tracking engine usage, does that make sense to track and not also track location ?
I was reading US web link about 'they made planes disappear on 9/11, and bombed the towers', same thing apparently happened with this plane.
Here's the post from IH:
AWACS hijacking, just like we saw on 9/11 where AWACS planes were
seen on video observing if not controlling the crashes into
the twin towers.
Once the plane flew far enough West, Awacs was obviously enough
to jam both civilian and military radars, probably because they
entered a zone where the angle of both incoming signals allowed
for their simultaneous cancellation.
That is where the plane finally “vanished” forever, an hour after
the “official” vanishing act.
The final vanish happened while at 29,500 feet.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/case-closed-hijacked-by-awacs-2916516.html
http://911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/some-disturbing-information
Judge Jeanine Pirro Opening Statement - Did Osama Lie His Way To WH & Is His Election Null & Void -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYdl7sjvs9o#t=67
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.ca/
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=98505731
God Bless
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US investigators reportedly believe missing Malaysia Airlines jet flew for hours after losing contact
Scandinavian:
the Malaysians have said this is "inaccurate", there sure is a lot of different things being said, difficult to say what is what
ironman510:
True, too many different stories, which is leading the people in that Beijing hotel to believe the truth is being covered up... I saw a post on my Wechat moments: A Chinese girl said: Malaysia is lying only to protect their reputation. So the blaming and finger pointing has started. I don't know which theory or expert on CNN to believe now.
@ironman:
true, sadly nationalist finger-pointing has begun and will overtake any real facts.
Soon one country will blame another of being responsible, rather than a joint investigation to discover the truth.
Scandinavian:
when China is involved, who really expects the truth ?
ironman510:
And guys have I got some news gossip for you. Look at my post below yours, my Chinese friend says Chinese news is reporting this:
QQ Chat with a friend who is Chinese and he said the Chinese news is reporting this idea (Grammars mistakes are his, I didn't want to change the chat.):
I guess the plan was shoot down by the Vietnam Army by mistake.
Yes, many expects think Vietnam government show unexpected initiative for the search & resuce this time.
They are planning to damage the evidence before others.
http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/malaysia-plane-coverup-passenger...
Meanwhile, 20 passengers on the missing plane are world-class electronic geeks for a major Defense contracting company that specializing in such things as weapons that disappear planes and ships for the battlefield.
They are employed by a company designing and manufacturing cutting edge electronic weaponry for the Department of Defense. Such weaponry includes those making it possible to vanish planes off the radar, as Deborah Dupré reported this weekend in the article, Malaysia Plane Hidden With Electronic Weaponry? 20 High-Tech EW Defense Passengers.
Next guess that came out today:
Was missing jet HIJACKED? US officials fear MH370 was captured and flown to mystery location after debris seen at sea is ruled out and new data reveals it was airborne FOUR HOURS after vanishing
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579524/Hijacked-hidden-US-counter-terror-officials-fear-plane-captured-debris-spotted-Chinese-ruled-new-data-reveals-airborne-FOUR-hours-vanishing.html#ixzz2vtTcPaq8
Next: Home> Investigative UnitMalaysian Group Plotted Plane Hijacking in 2001, Convicted Terrorist Says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579524/Hijacked-hidden-US-count...
ironman510:
My head is spinning. I'm waiting for the alien theory to come out.
Malaysia Plane CoverUp: Passengers’ Cell Phones Ringing, GPS Information Kept Secret:
Chinese media reports several of the passengers’ mobile phones were connecting when called by relatives, but the calls were not picked up.
“This morning, around 11:40 [am], I called my older brother’s number twice, and I got the ringing tone,” said Bian Liangwei, sister of one of the passengers. At 2:00 pm, Bian called again and heard it ringing again.
“If I could get through, the police could locate the position, and there’s a chance he could still be alive.”
She has passed on the number to Malaysia Airlines and the Chinese police.
“The world is speculating whether the stolen passport holders were terrorists,” while Interpol asks why only a handful of countries world-wide took care to ensure persons possessing stolen passports are not boarding international flights, said Ronald Noble, secretary-general of Interpol on Sunday.
Relatives of the passengers are urging the authorities to search for the location of phones that rang using the Global Positioning System.
At a press conference in Beijing, however, MAS spokesman Ignatius Ong said one of the numbers that had been passed on to the airline’s command office in Kuala Lumpur failed to get through.
“I myself have called the number five times while the airline’s command centre also called the number. We got no answering tone,” said Ong.
With all the technology that is available, I am surprised that nothing has been found so far. Heck, they've managed to go to the moon, land on Mars and they can't locate an airplane on Earth?! Makes you wonder don't it?
DrMonkey:
When you send something to Mars, outside of hardware failure, the trajectory is highly predictable while you're in the interplanetary space (mostly Newton laws) and the sequence of the events is under a very strict control (no human factor like drunk passenger, would-be terrorist or hijacker etc.), the landing site is picked for its safety, etc. Of course, you can't predict *all* things, but it does not compare to what can happen on a passenger plane : meteorology, problematic passengers, questionable pilot's decision, overzealous army. However, I'm a bit surprised that passenger planes don't have a continuous radio link with ... somewhere ... for this kind of cases.
louischuahm:
What about spotting asteroids? They can identified them, some of them are so far away but not something on earth in a limited area? I can't see why all this technology can't help spot bits of wreckage.
DrMonkey:
Spotting asteroids is not that hard and low-cost if you have the computing power for it :)
1) Use a reasonably sized telescope. One with a mirror 1 to 2 meters large will do. There's plently of such telescopes, in places with very clear sky year-round.
2) Point the telescope to a random area in the sky, keep it fixed.
3) Add a camera at the ouput of the telescope. Cameras can be very very sensible nowadays, they cool them with liquid ammonium to cancel out the noise from the supporting hardware, etc...
4) From the camera point of view, stars will move slowly in circle trajectory, due earth rotation, and stars having very low velocity relative to the Sun. Asteroids however, will show up as unmistakable trails.
5) Plug a computer to the camera, and program it to recognize automatically the trails from asteroids.
6) From the trail and the position of the telescope, you can deduce part of the asteroid trajectory. From that small part, you can deduce a good approximation of its orbit, thanks to a method devised by Gauss in 1800-something.
Bam, you got a machine that finds asteroids :) Since the 90's such setup are running, so lots of asteroids are found.
Maybe tomorrow, some medias will mention a mysterious radio beacon, transmitting a voice repeating "4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42" every 108 minutes.
icnif77:
I'm sure, that could qualify as UFO
'Unidentified (RW) Fishing Object'
Radio waves.....We have an answer already. Why media is so slow?
