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Q: Education or Experience ?

So you need to hire someone to do a job but all the people that have the educational requirements are useless as tits on a Bull.
But there are a couple of poeple that can do the job very well but don't possess relevant Educational paper work.
What would you do?

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I'd like to say go with the people that can do the job well, but the problem will lie in getting them their visas so you'd probably need to go with the next best option available to you.

 

Sometimes when you're hiring in China (well anywhere probably) you need to take what you can get from a fast shrinking pool of applicants and what you have to choose from is limited.

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this post was actually inspired by a guy on talk back radio (for Aussies John Laws) a guy called in because he couldn't hire a qualified Baker that could do the job and was prepared to hire somebody who had expirience and not the trade certificate

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I'd take the experienced person with lower educational achievement over the useless qualified person anyday.

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Given the OP's scenario, obviously you take the experienced person.

 

However... I don't think it's that cut and dried. There are 'experienced' people out there who don't know squat (take most mainlanders in any of the trades), and a very large number of people who have received their qualifcations and are damned good at what they do.

 

There are two main advantage of getting qualified. One, in theory, you are taught the most up to date information, by some extremely experienced teachers in the field. Secondly, that piece of paper is supposed to indicate that the person who has it is actually competent at the job, and has proven it multiple times - to those people with the experience and education.

 

 

I'm sure many of us in China have been in the situation where we've known how to do a job better than the guy who apparently has been doing it for 20 years... because we've been exposed to better technologies.

 

By the same token, there are 13 year old kids who are far better at IT than many older people (40's & 50's) who studied it way back when....

 

As for the baker job... Australia has some pretty ok RPL rules, for those who have the experience, but need the piece of paper to show they know what they're doing. The baker with the experience might be great at doing a few things they've been taught, but maybe not the whole range of skills it takes to be a 'qualified' baker. (Workplace Health and Safety comes to mind.... think Chinese restaurant kitchens). Bakery in Aus is, unfortunately, a dying industry :(

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A: I had a similar experience in HK. If I recall correctly, before or at
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