Lord_hanson:

Exactly, the UK is a secular nation.

ScotsAlan:

It is indeed lord H. But not constitutionally, because we don't have a constitution. We have state schools that are faith based for example. The Queen is head of state, and defender of the faith. Prince Charles could not marry Camilla in a Church because they were both divorced. I think the secular aspect of the UK is a gentleman's agreement. And in a way, that's a benefit to our democracy. Our elected officials are expected to represent all people in their constituency, no matter what their faith.

Lord_hanson:

Of course we have a constitution, that's why the system is called a constitutional monarchy.

philbravery:

and ill repeat mine i dont need to know about uk politics to spot a disease. at least in Australia voting is compulsory so as long as the Labour Party and the Greens dont get seats we are better off .

Hotwater:

The only disease in the London Mayoral election were the lies spread by the Conservative & Britain First candidates. Even members of Goldsmiths own party are now saying that. 

Compulsory voting? You're taking away people's freedom of choice by forcing them to vote. 

Shining_brow:

Hots - I think we've had this discussion before, so I figure you're only stirring the pot.. but....

Yes, from the age of 18, one is supposed to enrol to vote (many don't). The upshot being, come election day, you must go to the voting booth, have your name crossed off the list (or do an absentee vote, and get them, to do some work), be given your bits of paper, and walk into a booth. What you do after that is up to you (as long as you don't destroy the booth, etc).

That's why, in Aus, there's a reasonable % of 'donkey votes' - votes that don't have any value... either the voter doesn't understand what they have to do, or they intentionally do something they're not supposed to. Eg, put in letters instead of numbers, put in two 1's, etc. And, of course, not voting for anyone!

We also have a preferential voting system - so while voters may not get the most liked person or party, they do get the least worst. Meaning, while A may not get the most 1st choice votes, they may get the most 1st AND 2nd choice votes!

Which means, if a party (who elects their leader, who will become the Prime Minister while the party still approves of them) gets 58% of the 'vote' (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc preferred choice), they have a fairly good reason to say "we have a mandate from the people". (although, at 58% - I'd say it's not much of one!)

I think I'll start a thread on this....

Shining_brow:

Doesn't the UK have anti-hate laws? If so, would London's new mayor ban Trump from visiting?

I'd like to think you were entirely right (haha... ) with what you wrote..  But I also suspect at least some voters voted for him purely because he's Muslim, the same way a large percentage of people voted for Obama cos he's black. The whole "first X" thing. As I wrote above, Rotterdam has had a Muslim mayor for a few years, and yet I bet no-one (including myself until I went hunting) knew about it... It's SO much easier to go lizard-brain and ignore facts!

It's a little amusing to note that none of our usual righties have joined this thread to say anything even remotely worth reading! As we've said in the past, even though some of us really disagree over politics, at least some are actually able to debate it - rather than merely rant (although, it often does get to that level).

ScotsAlan:

I dare say there will be loads of people who voted for him because he is a Muslim, just in the same way some people voted for Ted Cruz because he is an evangelist.

The UK right wing are saying " London has fallen".  They claim the " Native British People" are outnumbered by "immigrants", and that white Brits are now in the minority.

What a load of rubbish these people spout.

Sadiq Khan is born and bred in London, and the people of London voted for him to be their Mayor.

The right wing politicians and hate filled bigots want to divide society on racial and religious grounds.  The people of London have stuck two fingers up at them and voted for the person they want.

And yes, If Trump went to London and spoke of banning Muslims etc, he possibly could be arrested for hate crimes.

That's not because the UK has been taken over by the loony left PC brigade, it's because the British people believe everyone has the right to live their life without fear of hate crimes being committed against them.

philbravery:

and because people choose not to vote they get what they deserve. at least here even with informal voting the majority have the final say and not a minority with big lungs that squeal like a stuck pig when they are outnumbered

Viki87:

Trump call a ban for all muslins to enter the US is just for temporary before the US firgure out what's going on.

He also said exception can be made for the new London mayor to enter the US. The London mayor is a mayor in London even he's muslin, so trump believe he's not terrorist.

I do not understand where do all those criticism come? It's just nonsense to criticize Trump for being racist.

ScotsAlan:

Vicky.

Trump wants to be president of the United States. Leader of the free world and all that.

I would sort of hope he knew what was was going on before he applied for the job.

philbravery:

I see the pc police are upset that the cops yeld out Allah Akbar during a terrorist training exercise. lol so what would they like them to say in a simulation of a terrorist attack oh i say would you all line up so i can kill you . ffs more leftist wank

retiredinchina:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270034/Sadiq-Khan-Labour-s-candidate-London-mayor-filmed-praising-Islamic-TV-station-advocated-marital-rape-violence-against-women.html

Shining_brow:

And here comes the idiocy...

Firstly - how many centuries were the British conservatives (aka, royals, lords, etc) doing anything they damn well pleased?

Secondly - how long was the church getting away with similar?

Thirdly - pretty sure all those TV personalities weren't Muslim, nor were they under a Muslim sanctioned organisation.

Trying to make a DIRECT link between Islam (in the UK... ) and pedophilia is just ridiculous! (yes, I do grant that Mohammed married a 9 year old girl.. but then, if we go back in history, we really don't want to look very hard at most nations!)

I also agree that police will drop the ball far too often on serious problems. So too the politicians (ALL politicians).

As for the other link of him attending lectures organised by 'extremist' Islamic parties... I notice that the article does NOT mention ANYTHING about what he actually said at the speech! I also note that on one hand, you will advocate 'freedom of speech', and then on the other hand, when it doesn't suit you, you say such people should be censored - which do you actually want? (answer: you're free to say whatever you want as long as I agree with it!") I also note that there is NO mention of what any other speakers at the event had to say (which is probably because it doesn't help the Islamophobe agenda).

Khan is in a position to be a positive voice to young Muslims (who, yes, have reason to be angry when people like Trump and Khan's opponent express serious anti-Muslim agendas). Going to such a popular (for Muslims - look at the size of the crowd in the photo) is actually a GOOD idea to 'preach' about Islam in an English context... and to encourage a more understanding (ie, less extremist) attitude.

As for "conservatives leaving London" stuff... what does that say? Well, to me it shows they're rather intolerant of other people.

Praising the Islamic financial system? Sure, go ahead and cherry pick (nothing new there!), but maybe - just maybe - it does actually have some merits (not that you'll ever know, because you'll never bother reading to find out!! It's against alcohol and pig farming - it must be bad!!!) This is just the same ignorance that says all Muslims must be terrorists - because some are!

retiredinchina:

Thank you Neville Chamberlain Jr.  for putting me on the straight and narrow and seeing the weakness of my argument,  although i did not express an opinion, I just said they left London and posted the news from there, like all the rich will leave soon when London is as violent as Paris and Brussels, but that's a topic for next year.

philbravery:

at least Burger Boy told the truth when he said he would supply the idiocy well done on winning this years Darwin award again must be about 30 years in a row by now and a record at that

Shining_brow:

Phil - is there any chance you will actually write something worthy of people reading? Or are you just going to stick with your primary school level insults? I mean, seriously, the "I'm going to mock you just because you went to university" says WAY more about you than anything I can write.

@ Retired - "I did not post not express an opinion"

 Yes, you did...

First post:

"The smart middle class conservatives who can not afford bodyguards have already left London, so there is no voters for the conservatives and their complacency is the reason. Two decades of political correctness and looking the other way, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Omg, there is evil everywhere , how did this happen?"

Second post:

"he was lying on TV to get their vote and did not mean anything he said".

This is your opinion.

ScotsAlan:

A 2 year old link to a right wing think tank. The "about us" section of that website says it all really.

Yup, bad things happened in Rotherham, and the Police failed, but the abusers are in Jail now. The Police were criticized heavily for that.

I don't see how that story is linked to the new London Mayor. He is in charge of the Metropolitan Police, not the South Yorkshire Police that failed those victims of child abuse that you reference above.

The Metropolitan Police did fail  Stephen Lawrence however, and lessons were learned from that.  But I think that predates the London Mayoral system.

The Gatestone institute does seem to be strong on law and order however, so what should the London Mayor do to keep London and it's visitors safe?

He could ban white American Christian men. They seem to account for a lot of deaths every year in the US. He might even ban American toddlers from visiting. I think American toddlers have shot 32 people so far this year.

He might even consider banning Australian men. After all, they pose a risk to young kids if we go by the actions of Rolf Harris, who is in a British Jail after being convicted of Child abuse against his daughters friend.  He was tried in London.

Of course, what I say is ludicrous. The new Mayor should not ban anyone from visiting London, at least not on the basis of some racial or religious connection to a criminal in some part of the world.

So sorry. I don't see how your link to a criminal case in Yorkshire relates to the London Mayor.

ScotsAlan:

Just to add. I made an error above. Of course the Mayor can't ban people from the UK. Only the home office can do that. My point above is hypothetical.

retiredinchina:

yes, My friend Michael Savage is banned from Britain. I am very familiar with how the system works. The opinions were sarcasm about London, I'm not British and really don't have a horse in the race. People will look out for what is in their self interest, so they move, multicultural utopias have to be very vigilant because by there very nature they have made themselves a target of extremism.

retiredinchina:

All politicians lie on television,has nothing to do with religion, sarcasm. I'm quite sure London has the safest subways that have never been bombed, and no diplomats have ever been arrested for having slave labor servants and London is the bright shining example for all of your Europe to aspire to be just like them. How many honour killings did we have last year in Britain, doesn't matter, the IRA killed more so things are much better now. Severe sarcasm.

ScotsAlan:

Intolerance works both ways. Yes of course. Yup. Christians don't want to bomb people. They don't want to torture. They don't want to discriminate. They want to forgive rather than execute. They don't want to throw people in jail for 999 years. The right wing claim to be Christian. They are not.

retiredinchina:

Forcing tolerance for any political belief or religious belief is infringing on and making someone follow your way of thinking, http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-sees-millionaire-exodus-religious-tensions-rise-1552423

Hotwater:

@ Phil. Do you want to try rewriting your rant when you're sober? It might make sense then!

@retiredinchina. Didn't really insert any of your incoherent reply. Maybe simplify it?

ScotsAlan:

For fucks sake. I got to line 2 of retiredinchinas post before I got bored. If you are in China dude, use a VPN to google Kevin Swanson + Ted Cruz + youtube. Cruz shared a stage with Swansan, after Swanson had said he wanted to kill all gay people. Cruz congratulated Swanson for a good speech. Cruz also said God wanted him to be POTUS. If you have trouble finding that specific youtube link, I suggest you try " Rachel Maddow Ted Cruz Kevin Swanson" Rachel Maddow explains it better than me.

nzteacher80:

Oh my Lord. Sorry to interrupt Phil and retardedinchina's xenophobic circle jerk but I'm getting a bit tired of the echinacities answers section getting turned into some kind of jackboot, goose stepping, right wing wet dream. Why don't you two get a hotel room and watch some Riefenstahl movies or perhaps the Rambo trilogy and give each other a damn good seeing to?

retiredinchina:

http://For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

This is why Ted Cruz believes what he said Romans 1:25-28, not sure if this answers your question, but for the religious right, it's there bread and butter.

nzteacher80:

I'm no fan of religion. I agree with the premise that good people do good things and bad people do bad things but for good people to do bad things then that takes religion. However, in my life I have met many Muslims and 100% of them have been friendly, loyal, honest and charitable almost to a fault. This is just my personal experience and I can't speak for others. There is a certain amount of hypocrisy in railing against the dangers of multiculturalism while being a white expat living and working in a predominantly non-white country.

philbravery:

don't miss understand i have met more good than bad however that saying evil wins when good people do nothing so IMO this should equally apply to Muzzies

Hotwater:

You're showing your xenophobia (actually it's Islamophobia) by using the term Muzzie. It'd be xenophobia if you were calling them Paki's, Ragheads, etc. 

There are "bad" Muslims out there but they are a small minority. Just like there are still a small minority of Republican terrorists in Ireland who still violently disagree with the peace process there. People from both these extremes need dealing with. The majority of peaceful Muslims and Irish Nationalists are okay. 

I'm comparing the two, as you know, to make the point that not all terrorists are Muslims and vice versa. 

ScrewIT:

I don't think there are many of Muslims in China or specifically in this board. Or perhaps could be busy minding their business instead of giving a batshit about the issue. 

I visited Pakistan last year where I was stunned by the locals, amazingly different from what I knew from the outside about Pakistan. The hospitality and simplicity of those people was just remarkable. Having said that from my personal experience, I have learned to respect people the way they are probably not at the level one expects yet a lot better. I was told by the local friend that security situation is much better now but there was a bloodbath in the earlier years where more than 60000 civilians excluding army and policemen were killed by terrorists. I never knew about it and was of the same view that all Pakistanis are at it. I did realize that common people are the same elsewhere irrespective of their beliefs, working their asses out to feed themselves and may have nothing to do what we learn from bigoted media howls. 

Stiggs:

I had the same experience in Malaysia and Indonesia. The people were great to me, they're mostly just normal people going about their lives.

philbravery:

i see my statement has been proven

nzteacher80:

Umm... No. Did you read the article? Obviously not. The current mayor is pushing for greater economic autonomy and greater representation for his constituents - what any good politician should be doing. London voted against Brexit and is being compelled by all the other regions to comply with leaving the single market.

Would you prefer that he ignores his constituents and their needs?

I guess you probably suspect that he wants to implement sharia law and make all women wear burqas. Well, he doesn't. He's doing what he should be doing. Try reading the article you post next time.

Hotwater:

+1 for the reply NZTeacher!

ambivalentmace:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/16/women-sent-back-khan-remain-speech/

women should stand in the back, not in the front, sharia law, whats that? i stand by the statement, london and londoners think they are different from their fellow citizens, just like new yorkers, just like people in shanghai, human behavior.

Hotwater:

Just had a look at that link and some other pages of that site. You can infer whatever you want from that photo. Breitbart pit their right wing slant on it, similar to how Britain First would do the same. You, and they, have no idea why the people in that photo are stiff in those positions. No mention of the grey haired white woman front left. 

Shining_brow:

As for the 2nd link with the photo - "women relegated to the back"... really? Seriously??? How do you know this? How does anyone know this? Did they ask anyone, or just make an assumption from the photo (and not bother to look to closely).

Sure, there are a lot of women standing 'at the back'... but given that they're still only a few meters away, so what??? It's not like they've been sent 30 or 100 meters away and can't hear anything! They're obviously close enough to throw a shoe at!

AND... that's ONE photo... which is cut off on one side to show a very one-sided (ha!) picture! My eyes also show at least 1 (probably 2) women up close and personal (ie, towards the front).

But - I understand! You don't want to respect other people and their cultures. In your world, everyone MUST conform to YOUR ideas and attitudes. So, women HAVE TO BE up front of EVERY such event...

ambivalentmace:

NO. women should be standing anywhere they want to and not bow to the whims of sexist piece of crap humans that happen to be called "men".

Shining_brow:

True.... but that doesn't actually relate to the link, does it? At least, the direct connection cannot be made - only aspersions.

The "Khan spoke at a rally where women were wearing burqas and stood at the back means he's a racist mofo muslim asshat who should be put down (ors sent back to his own country)" doesn't actually fit the picture.... unless, of course, you want it to!

retiredinchina:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/28/london-should-secede-from-the-united-kingdom/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=Flashpoints

ambi, are you a fortune teller, tell us the gossip, your really a writer for foreign policy magazine.

coineineagh:

No can to the with in this forum. Who carries thelatinodancer?

Shining_brow:

A) EVERYTHING can be linked back to China if one tries.

b) one of the changes to the forum is that it's NO LONGER China related only! I guess you missed that bit!

ambivalentmace:

china is too boring and predictably screwed up to keep a forum interesting.

Hotwater:

Did you actually read the article or just make a blind assumption?

I wouldn't normally read the sun as it's an awful rag but I read this one. 

Did is you bother reading this part "family, searching his home and working with MI5 and MI6, police sources added that he has shown no signs of radicalisation.

The teenager is believed to suffer from mental health problems and that the incident was a “spontaneous attack”."

retiredinchina:

yes, the liberal media covering up an attack by a Muslim by calling it an isolated criminal incident, or a mental problem, same excuse I hear in China, no one is evil, they are just misunderstood, instead of what it is, sure has been a large increase lately. I'm sure we can blame it on global warming. My favorite from the black savior for Fort Hood was it was 'local isolated criminal incident', can you feel the love?

retiredinchina:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08/05/somali-in-london-knife-attack-whom-police-said-was-just-mentally-ill-recommended-jihad-terror-books.html

LIKE i said, a cover up.

Shining_brow:

WTF is the 'cover up' you're reading in that artcile??

RiC - you are clearly racist!

You read 'black' and 'Somali' and just jumped to the automatical conclusion that a) he was Muslim (absolutely NO evidence of this has been provided!) and b) a radicalised Jihadi (and, again, ZERO evidence of this!)

And you IGNORE basic facts that are presented! Such as - he left Somalia to live in Norway when HE WAS 5 YEARS OLD!!!! So, he's actually,f or all intents and purposes, NORWEGIAN! (other than being picked on in school - which I can understand in the UK ("you can't be from Norway - you're black!!!") Nope - no chance that's going to cause some mental instability at all.... nope! Must be a Muslim terrorist attack!*

Please - make it easy on all of use for the future - what is your criteria for automatically assuming a Muslim Jihad terror attack? I'm presuming... "anyone from the African continent or Middle East area who is involved in any form of violence"... Correct?

(*Note - I don't discount the possibility he was 'inspired' by such attacks - people who have a lot of anger inside of them may see what ISIS and their ilk do, and say "hey, I can do that too...!!!")

retiredinchina:

http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article.php/id/2474?id=2474

There are no christians or christian churches left in Somalia, and he was a Muslim, despite what the media wants you to believe, I have been in Somalia three times, that boat was already sailed. Black Hawk Down, we stood by in 90's and let the Christians get slaughtered, same thing we are doing now in Turkey. Clinton let 70000 Somalia refugees into America, many live in the Columbus OH area, history just repeating itself.

Hotwater:

@ Retiredinchina. You've jumped on this attack immediately going on about Muslims & fundamentalists. 

So what, from your point of view, was Anders Brevik? A deranged lone-wolf, mentally disturbed on Christian fundamentalist?

It still never ceases to amaze me who things are so "black and white" to right-wingers. When a white guy goes doolally with a gun or a knife he's just deranged. When a black or Arabic guy does the same there are immediate accusations of Islamic terrorism before the blood has even dried!

Look in the mirror at your stereotypes.....

retiredinchina:

If you can't see that Christians are being killed in a genocide all over the world by Muslims while the elites cover all this up and make us feel that everything is an isolated incident, nothing I can say will change your mind. Indonesia in the 80's, horn of africa in the 90's, europe in this century. no pattern, just happen stance, right, and I don't like Christians or Muslims. I really don't give a shit, but I don't live  in closet like a mushroom and feed off media bullshit.

nzteacher80:

Breitbart quoting ISIS... ISIS are right. Slavery is fully okay for Christians, Jews and Muslims. The Old Testament gives exhaustive descriptions on how to keep slaves and the rules regarding their treatment. It's that old time religion that modern day Christianity chooses to ignore. ISIS are being true to the Old Testament. Moses would be pleased.

Shining_brow:

"brave"? No... it doesn't take courage to point out the obvious!

And, ftr, while I do get downvotes (and quite a lot were coming from a certain sector for a while there - as soon as they saw my name), I also get UP votes... something the vast majority of your posts fail to get! I also get downvotes because people actually read my post, and disagree with the content - they have an opposing viewpoint (I'm ok with that!)... that is, they're not doing it (usually) because I've wasted time and space on a post which has ZERO useful content or meaning!!!

You are new to this forum. A forum is a community of people (some of whom have met, and are friends). You have entered this community of friends, and started to demand how you think it should be run

This is not 'YOUR' forum... (it's not mine, either!) It's 'ours'... and it's obvious that your meaningless posts are not popular here.

You are welcome to post - as long as you post something that it actually worth reading (actual help, or at least humour). Try connecting to the other forum members.... rather than ignoring them completely in your desire to write crap!

GreatTao:

@Shining_brow

Cause I thought you were a coward only talks shot at certain people. God will clean you from the brave list if you're not.

Shining_brow:

Firstly, your 'god' does not exist.

Secondly - "Try connecting to the other forum members.... rather than ignoring them completely in your desire to write crap!"

GreatTao:

@Shining_brow

I didn't say it's my God. You'll get punished or damned for stopping others talking.

cub:

come on tao, im a christian and my God dont punish people like your god seems to do just because people talk. ''Free will'' is what God gave u, me, all humans as a choice to choose whom 2 masters we serve ok? Its a persons wrong choices in life [ wrong master they serve ] that dams and punishes people in this life.

GreatTao:

@cub

You should know I am for free talking. They want to stop me from talking. Make sure you know the thing then comment.

cub:

OK Tao, whom is ''they'' u refer to, the others on this site? Be more specific not so vague. my God never forces anyone to do anything thats why he gave all mankind a free will to choose that includes talking And it was u whom mentioned God Just remember u are a guest on this site don't be so defensive and u will get great answers, choose your words carefully. The quality of answers u get depends on how u reply or respond and ask questions here Some members here are very protective

Shining_brow:

I presume you missed, or ignored, this bit:

"

The first sharia court appeared in London in 1982 under the government of Margaret Thatcher, who rolled back state intervention in many areas, including mediation in family conflicts, which was delegated to faith groups.

But religious courts have existed for hundreds of years in Britain, whether in the Catholic Church or in the Jewish community -- the Beth Din -- notes Amin Al-Astewani, lecturer in law at Lancaster University."

As for being unfair to women - it wouldn't surprise me... it's friggen Sharia law, which isn't really known for being excessively fair! And, this might shock you, but not all Muslims (in fact, millions of them) don't want to live under Sharia law!!! If they did, they wouldn't be fleeing groups like ISIS or Boko Harem!

Englteachted:

Shining but you have to admit, many fleeing just don't want ISIS's version but they want some form and they want to bring it about in their new home

Shining_brow:

Yes, I will admit that.

Will you admit that many also do NOT want Sharia law? Especially the younger generation who are getting brought up using technology to see how the rest of the world behaves, and want to be more like them...

I shall start a thread... :)

icnif77:

Swift Injustice: The "Terrifying" Case Of Tommy Robinson

Tommy Robinson Arrested Outside UK Court, Jailed For 13 Months As Judge Orders Orwellian Media Blackout

"He's A Political Prisoner Whose Life Is In Clear And Pressing Danger": Tommy Robinson Offered Asylum By German MP

icnif77:

Britons Rage Over Robinson Arrest As Mass Protests Break Out Worldwide

Free speech advocates and supporters of Robinson's movement from Melbourne to Berlin came out by the thousands to protest the Friday arrest outside of Leeds Crown Court

 

And, why media blackout was imposed if everything is so kosher ...?

Hotwater:

“Some” racist Britons rage!

the media “blackout” is because this involves an ongoing court case. 

This is is the key point you, Ambi and LOTS of other people DON’T UNDERSTAND. 

If the details of the court case are broadcast while its ongoing then the defendants lawyers might be able to get the case dismissed. That means the (alleged) paedophiles get off s it free! Do you understand this point?

Did you read my link? Do you have any views of your own to add or just going to c&p reactive shit?

icnif77:

I didn't follow the whole story except titles and few comments at Zero. I read your link and I realised Zero's links are let say 'right wingers blob'. Mossad was also mentioned 'cause Robinson is his adopted name.

Miss Lake is right and arrest of Robbie was justified ... to protect the rape's trial. Twice!

Media blackout isn't that shady anymore.

I've been busy lately ... and just skimming up the titles .. 

ambivalentmace:

Tommy Robinson was the whistleblower that brought this out over 5 years ago and everybody said there is no ring of men raping young girls and covered up by authorities to avoid islamophobia hate speech attacks. They said it was a fairy tale, they lied, he is in jail because a judge is afraid he will have his cut off for offending the muslim populations in England by embarrassing them and making them look bad in the media and the elites want that guaranteed Muslim vote every election and screw the hard working white folks. England has no freedom of speech, period, end of story. I just love the backlash and the unintended consequences, the left always think they can run over people with no recourse, it gives hope that England want become China in the elite class and Pakistan in the lower class, Tommy has black family members and loves people who become British and accept British culture, this is not racists, assimilation is what citizens expect, and now because we expect this, we are called racists.

Hotwater:

Icnif, thanks for reading the link to understand the real story of his jailing. 

Ambi - you really are blinkered. Robinson whistleblowers the gang rape stories 5 years ago? He was in & out of jail was various offenses between 2012-2014 including in the US. He was out under Licence till 2015 so had to be careful who he spoke to

His latest prison sentence is NOT a freedom of speech issue. Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities. In the UK judges can put reporting restrictions on trials that are ongoing. One reason to protect the kids. Robinson broke these AGAIN! Seems in your fairytale land you ignore facts. 

ambivalentmace:

Facts are nothing anymore, the outrage and perception of this is a public relations nightmare, truth has nothing to do with the unintended stit storm this has created but the left loves to appear high and mighty over the underclass deplorables. If the left has not learned one thing in the last 2 years, Brexit, Trump, you don't walk around pointing your finger and telling people you know what is best for them. It simply does not work. Most articles say that 1300 underage girls were raped over a decade by predominately Pakistan men of origin, some now British citizens, Pakistan is a country were 3 men have to be a witness for a rape to be called a rape, if I know this, so does every British asshole that tried to cover this up. May they all rot in hell.

icnif77:

Watch As Chaos Erupts At Tommy Robinson Protest; Police Chased Down Street As 1000s Rage

Week 2 of #FreeTommy...

 

ambivalentmace:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6660765/sick-sex-attackers-grin-cctv-gang-rape-teenage-girl-canterbury/

The new civil society is so tolerant, liberals should be so proud. Since they are religiously persecuted, maybe they can be cell mates with Tommy.