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Q: What would happen if the chinese stock market totally collapses?
what do you think will happen if the chinese stock markets totally collapses and the goverment is unable to do anything to solve that?
Im just saving some cash to buy a cheap china. desesperate factory/apartment owners with huge debts ready to sell for any price.
8 years 50 weeks ago in Business & Jobs - China
They would invade Peru as a distraction for the public. Your country would have 100 million Chinese from the countryside shipped there to colonise their new province. Your beloved cuisine would be replaced with Chinese cuisine.
fada:
Peruvian cuisine? northern carmel coated donkey balls or southern chocolate dipped lama nuts?
Lord_hanson:
China is a land of extremes. All or nothing. All must go. Llamas will be eaten to extinction.
They would invade Peru as a distraction for the public. Your country would have 100 million Chinese from the countryside shipped there to colonise their new province. Your beloved cuisine would be replaced with Chinese cuisine.
fada:
Peruvian cuisine? northern carmel coated donkey balls or southern chocolate dipped lama nuts?
Lord_hanson:
China is a land of extremes. All or nothing. All must go. Llamas will be eaten to extinction.
I doubt it would happen. Industrial economies are more resilient to crashes than service economies. Would a crash stop the demand for cheap goods? It would create interesting opportunities if I'd did happen.
When credit crunch occurred, The Royal Bank of Scotland fell from 700 pence per share to 9 pence per share. I bought £10000 at 10 pence. When things settled I sold at 30 pence. The only time I have been successful. Hence I look forward to crashes in the stock market. You re right it would foot time for opportunities. Gold star for not asking racist, sexist narrow minded critical questions about a country that may provide you with good opportunities.
icnif77:
'When credit crunch occurred, The Royal Bank of Scotland fell from 700 pence per share to 9 pence per share. I bought £10000 at 10 pence. When things settled I sold at 30 pence. The only time I have been successful. Hence I look forward to crashes in the stock market.'
Do you often read Carlo Collodi?
'Hence, you are anon LIAR!' Again!
It didn't happened, you have ever been successful on any Stock Market Exchange!
RBS share never recovered to 30 UKP, after retreat to around 6 UKP in Jan. 2009.
dokken:
Excuse me you absolute gimp, I have been following rbs shares for years. If you look at the share history you can see this is true. "It never rose to 30 p". What on earth are you on about? They rose eventually to 50p before they were consolidated. Do you know what consolidated means retard? I can't be bothered to explain it to you.
You checked that out of jealously, you re wrong and now you would never admit it in a thousand years. Such a sad pathetic human being. An absolute fruit loop. Dishonest too - teaching ielts with a piss poor grasp of English, wasting your students time. Idiot
dokken:
new york stock exchange is not london stock exchange. icnif is the biggest idiot i've ever encountered.
dokken:
@shinning brow
i ve never been very sensible with share trading. i always bet on high risk things like oil companies that are exploring for new fields or companies fighting court cases. i never spread my portfolio out much. basically all the things ou shouldn t do. been hit a few times when the oil companies hit dusters. im a gambler really. do some research though
if there is a crash id say with banks. problem is in china all banks are state owned. good thing to research now before the worst of the fall in chinese stocks i think. maybe icnif can postulate instead of copy and paste observations he cares little if ppl wnt to read or not. he should get banned for it
Hotwater:
You should have kept your money there mate. They are now at 345p. If you'd been patient 6-7 years then you're 10k would now be worth £345,000!!!!
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=RBS.L&a=06&b=1&c=2007&d=06&e=12&f=2015&g=d&z=66&y=0
@ icnif77.....your a cockwomble shouting your mouth off and calling people liars....when you are the one with your facts wrong. Knob!
icnif77:
Show me, please exactly date, when RBS price was 10 pence, and it raised to 30 pence, so you made your trade.
@Hot: you're looking at the wrong SE. You should look at London SE, not NYSE. Please, correct to make me get out of my 'ARGENTINA' T-shirt.
dokken:
@hot The rbs shares were consolidated x10 after i sold them. Companies do this sometimes to make shares look more impressive or for other reasons i don t understand. you divide them by ten to get the old price. equivalent to about 35p old price
@icnif. Did you or did you not look up the wrong stock exchange? Is this dumb?
I was not being exact bought them for 12 pence sold them at 27. it was 6 years ago.
why do you care. i used that example to shhow the opportunities after i crash. i lost plenty of it after that. let me guess you have never made a penny thats why you were angry and jealous. such a loser
icnif77:
NYSE has RBS price breakdown since 5Y ago. At that time price of RBS was in range you mention in your lying statement.
First of all real traders never post winning sessions as a brag. It's bad karma, even if posted with copy of entry and exit slip.
Traders usually announce possibility of good 'scalp' by posting ticker's symbol, and some good trading signals as 'golden cross approaching' or 'sudden volume increase' and similar.
This is one example of 'father of the traders' in US SE. This guy can move the price of security, because all traders follow his advice:
"Keep an eye on the once strong ocean shipping sector. FREE is the one I have hopes for. Two others which were popular a few years ago and completely broke down are SHIP & DRYS. IMO anyone of these could be takeover candidates. And after reaching bottoms below the $1 level, may bounce quickly, even without takeover news. Because they have to stay listed, to hope for some successful shipping company to save their asses. Many times, major deep pockets owners; will buy up the price, to keep their investment listed. While looking for a buyer. The shipping sector is down 26% for the year, up 6.4% for 6 months, and up 7.1% for 3 months. Improving rather fast for a lager sector. Just some food for thought!"
Q: "What do you think about 'FNMA''?
A:"'Long term moving averages being positive, for a change, should lift the sentiment for a gradual increase. Short term expect to see 2.35 channel bottom at least. before bounce for 2.95 channel top
Answering guy should learn some English. What do you think? Can you understand what is he saying?
No? Strange, he's an 'merican.
dokken:
you tried to call me a liar with incorrect information. now you will not admit this information is incorrect, even although you now know it is. try to divert it with your copy and paste rubbish nobody reads.
you should talk to people in a civil way then find out information you think is inconsistent. don't straight away call them liars straight away. it makes you look paranoid and crazy
The Chinese stock market is pretty much a local affair. It in itself wouldn't affect the outside world very much. It's the fallout among the local investors that would do the most damage. Civil unrest would be a dagger to the governments heart. They can't allow the stock market to fail.
If China's economy fails, it would almost surely start a global recession or worse.
RBS share price from 2008 - today in US$:
https://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RBS+Interactive#{"range":"max","allowChartStacking":true}
RBS share price in US$ from Oct. 2000 - today in numbers:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=RBS&a=09&b=18&c=2000&d=06&e=12&f=2015&g=d
Yahoo-gle is on the ball for Dokken's 'shopping/typing/lying spree'.
Dokken is a liar, liar, liar..... stinky anon liar
icnif77:
http://blog.bcaresearch.com/china-the-economic-fallout-from-the-stock-selloff
It is premature to tally the economic damage from the equity market selloff while it is not yet clear that the market riot is over. However, based on what has happened so far, our China strategists expect the economic fallout is muted.
The stock market turbulence is not echoed in other financial assets, a sign that the sharp selloff in A shares is corrective in nature rather than driven by fundamental economic issues. The corporate bond market has remained stable, interbank liquidity has in fact improved, and there is no abnormal move in the RMB exchange rate in either the onshore or offshore market. The CDS spread of Chinese sovereigns remains well behaved.
Aggressive margin accounts and equity leverage are the root cause of the market riot, but the financial sector is likely to stay immune. Anecdotal evidence suggests that the majority of margin lending provided by banks and brokers are accompanied by healthy amounts of collateral, and the leveraged positions provided by “shadow institutions” such as Internet finance companies and private networks strictly follow “stop loss” instructions. Investors with leverage who are being “stopped out” have borne heavy losses, but financial institutions have not been adversely impacted.
The stock market crash could be a blow to consumer sentiment, but the wealth effect should be small. As a share of GDP, the A-share market’s value has dropped from over 85% in early June to about 65% currently, a much smaller drawdown than historical bear phases. In fact, even during major bear markets in the past, falling stock prices had had little impact on business activity. Furthermore, despite rising significantly since 2014, Chinese households’ exposure to the equity market is still very limited.
Bottom Line: The A-share market will likely remain unsettled for a while as policymakers try to mitigate the downward pressure generated by liquidation among margin investors. The economic impact should be limited, unless the A-share market riot continues to deepen.
dokken:
you are looking at rbs america shares you tit. london stock exchange. it lls be in pence not dollars. your research and understanding is awesome.
i followed those shares everyday for years. i think i know. i bought them low because either bnk was going to be nationalized or shares would go up at that point. plenty of other people did the same
dokken:
that link you posted is nyse. if you didnt know that rbs, one of the largest banks in the world, would mainly be listed on the london stock exchang you should give up trading. moron moron moron
Hotwater:
RBS share prices on the LSE from the same website.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=RBS.L&a=06&b=1&c=2007&d=06&e=12&f=2015&g=d&z=66&y=0
get your facts right next time you prat icnif77!
icnif77:
We did not find results for: https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=RBS.L&a=06&b=1&c=2007&d=06&e=12&f=2015&g=d&z=66&y=0.
Check spelling or type a new query.
Yahoo-gle said, you should check your 'smelling' @Hot.
It's beautiful sunny morning. Let's post some lies! Off we go cheerleaders.
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i saw a YouTube video about it recently, but that's a superfluous detail. Anyway, it was mentioned that the gov't encouraged people to buy stock by actively promoting it and saying it was stable. It was like a gov't stamp of guarantee that they would step in and manipulate the market if things went wrong. it may have been a well-intentioned attempt to deflate the real-estate bubble before it bursts.
the reality came as a surprise to all. the market crashed horribly, and Chinagov tried desperately to halt it by any means they could. billions was spent to no avail, because every action to stem the tide just bred more fear that the situation was hopeless.
most western stockbrokers are institutions. most chinese are just wealthy individuals and bad decision makers at that. many are margin traders needing high profits to pay back loans. there is more at stake here than the market: it's the people's faith in government backing that has been tested.
Th gov't has tried to get institutional investors to help stem the tide, it has doctored and manipulated the rules, telling people (unlawfully) that they can't sell their stock for X months... nothing helps the way they had hoped. Stock is too volatile.
Personally, i believe the average Chinese person's panicky and mistrustful demeanor plays its role in making this decline morecatastrophic than ever seen before. The stock market lost 40% of its value in a month. the world has never seen such speedy stock declines, even during the worst recessions in history.
The question has to asked "why is the head-shed in BJ so eager to pump the stock market and prevent falls?"
Could it be that its the only show in town?
Do you believe the GDP figures? (Even Li Keqiang didn't until he was put back on message)
Is the real estate market in rude health?
Are the factory figures and exports booming?
China is integrated into the world economy now. A wobble will affect all economies..
http://wolfstreet.com/2015/07/08/china-syndrome-burns-stocks-commodities/
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/chinas-real-problem-isnt-stocks-it...
Just search for China on Stockman's site.....oh dear, oh dear, oh dear....no one likes what they see and no Gordon Chang in sight.
earthizen:
CCP's attempt to halt stock market crash. 1. Propaganda/face (lies) 2. Social 'harmony' (avoid internal unrests).
"Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm. But the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it. Because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. - T. S. Eliot
The difference with china/mainlanders (en masse) is in the last sentence, "...Because they are absorbed in the endless lies to think well of themselves and harm their enemies, generally defined as non-mainlanders".
''I bought for 10 pence and sold at 30 pence for total amount of 10000 UK P for 'eChina lying competition''
5Y chart of RBS on LSE:
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=RBS.L#symbol=RBS.L;range=5y
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/su...
icnif77:
Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLCRBS:LSE
| 345.10 | 8.59m | 1.58 | ||
| CLOSE IN GBX | TODAY'S CHANGE | SHARES TRADED | 1 YEAR CHANGE | BETA |
|---|
Summary
On Friday, Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC (RBS:LSE) closed at 345.10, 12.05% above the 52 week low of 308.00 set on Jul 10, 2014.
dokken:
10000 pounds of rbs shares they e=were about 12 pence. sold them at 27p. I cant remember when they were consolidated. this means 10 shares became one share. number of shares would be divided by 10. you re a retard so i guess there is not much point in explaining. why would you look at 5 year graph when crunch happened in late 08 early 09. you are very very stupid
Admin, how about an ignore function?
You know, so I can read your forums again.
Thanks
not my fault. icnif starts it all calling people liars. i could prove he was wrong this time so i had to do it. i ll ignore him in future apologies
Yahoo-gle in submition mode:
'We can't support icnif's accusations, Dokken is posting BS!'
http://topforeignstocks.com/2008/11/08/royal-bank-of-scotland-group-plca...
Yesterday November 7,2008 Royal Bank of Scotland Group plc(RBS) completed a reverse split in the ratio of 20:1 of its ADR shares traded in New York.
This reverse split was first announced on Oct 30,2008 = "Dokken's 'crunch area''. You often crunch, Dokken? (Source: RBS Investor Relations Site)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/rbs-shareholders-to-vote-on-reverse-sto...
RBS shareholders to vote on reverse stock split
Published: May 30, 2012 10:25 a.m. ET
Dokken: ''I can't remember, when I bought RBS share......'' area
He can just 'remember', he spent 10k UK P for purchasing of RBS stocks.
First reverse split 20:1 of RBS stock happened in 2008, and last vote on 10:1 reverse spit was in 2012, just after Dokken's 'I can't remember when' purchase.
icnif77:
"10000 pounds of rbs shares they e=were about 12 pence. sold them at 27p. I cant remember when they were consolidated. this means 10 shares became one share. number of shares would be divided by 10. you re a retard so i guess there is not much point in explaining. why would you look at 5 year graph when crunch happened in late 08 early 09.
'EDIT': 'Dokken staring into mirror': I am very very stupid"!'
dokken:
You are so stupid icnif
1) lse rbs shares are not in anway linked to nyse rbs stock. I know nothing about the nyse stock. The link you posted is about nyse stock. It's in dollars and cents. I'm not interesting in reading about these American shares.
2) rbs shares fell from sub 700 to just under 10 pence in the credit crunch, reaching bottom January 2009. They rose mid 30s within a couple of months. In 2011 or 2012 Rbs decided to consolidate 10 shares into one share. That means the new shares cost 300 pence. If you were holding stock then the number of shares you had would be divided by 10. This happens all the time with stocks. Zero hedge not teach you this?
You our turned a good thread that could have had lots of discussion into a personal attack because you did not like the idea of somebody other than yourself executing a successful trade.
icnif77:
You are posting statements about successful trade without any proof. It's normal if somebody brags about something, she/she also post a proof of the brag.
If one can't do that, statements as yours aren't posted, unless they are designated for pre-schools readers/posters.
Dokken: 'Hey kids, let's make a paper plane.....'
dokken:
It's not a brag. I was making a point about opportunities in the event of a crunch/crash. The one success I have had illustrates it perfectly. You called me a liar (only very rude cynical people would do this straight away) with information which wasn't not only not correct, but was very very stupid. You have not admitted this yet. I care little if people see me as a success or not. To be honest having been an esl teacher is not exactly admitting i have had huge success, is it?
Why would I post the trading docket to prove a gimp like you wrong? I stopped using the stockbroker website I used back then anyway. I think you know yourself that there is something a bit wrong with you. You have caused your brain to have schizophrenic pathology because of weed smoking, would be my guess
icnif77:
It's lie, till not proven otherwise!
Lie at stating the you performed the action, and brag about amount you spent and gain.
If there was a trading advice, amount you spent and gain isn't really necessary, is it?
Your next demo class could be: 'stand-up', 'sit-down' 'turn-around' and 'clap your hands'.
For more advanced class, I exchange 'clap your hands' with 'give a hug to each other'.
dokken:
I was quite proud of the trade I guess. Not a huge amount of capital for a 30 year old so it's hardly a boast is it. You haven't managed to get your hands on that much and you re 38 years old. You are total saddo. I do not have the docket nor would I give it to you if I did. Don't expect people to get angry about mentioning minor trades like this. Jeeeze you got problems
and you lied about telling your students you are a native speaker. You are LYING about that. The school training centre whatever, asked you to lie and you did. You are passing bad grammar, bad English, onto ielts students and not helping them succeed.
havent told you any lies yet you have called a liar many times. I only told you one white so not to make job was going for public. Everything else has been absolutely true and you are disgusting enough to go liar liar liar. You re stuck in China as a non native speaker who can't get English jobs easily and has to go to shitty places. Therefore you are angry and want to latch onto people who have a lot more prospects than you and make them angry.
expert trader who looked at wrong stock market. After it being explained you look at wrong stock market you do the same thing again. Doesn't know what consolidating shares mean. Not able to provide clear and concise views about the state of the market. You re not even good at the thing you post about all the time
you know that the information you tried to pass off as proof I was lying was incorrect. You know this and you don't apologise at all. Not a man just a troll. I'm guessing you do not have passport for the U.S.. That's what really makes you angry isn't it? You got to go back to your own shitty country
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